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  • #21
    Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

    Inoue doesn't have the contemporaries to really do something crazy. And currently is even avoiding the Akhmadaliev mando.

    Crawford could beat Canelo I suppose.
    Inoue needs to continue clearing out his division in dominant fashion. It won't be a single win that puts him over the top

    He's slated to fight 3 times next year, one of those could be MJ. Usyk may fight once or twice. P4P is what have you done for lately, people forget quick

    Crawford could unify 154 or become undisputed to put him over. He doesn't need to climb to Canelo
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    • #22
      Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

      Which guys has he beaten that are greats?

      Anthony Joshua? Dubois?

      Tyson Fury is maybe the only one really.
      I see. This is a pointless conversation as you're too bias to have a reasonable conversation. Just here is moan and hate... Great.

      IF you had any credibility you would be able to see that he beat an Olympic Gold medalist in AJ who was the reigning two time 3 belt champion and HUGE, twice.

      Dubois has proven he is an absolute handful.

      And Tyson was universally recognised number 1. Beat him twice.

      I can already tell you're one of those posters who just poo poo facts because you're emotionally involved, so cool, don't bother.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

        Are you saying you don’t personally consider Tyson Fury a great?
        The greats of this era are fury Parker, and Zhang and you know why

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        • #24
          Originally posted by M312 View Post

          I see. This is a pointless conversation as you're too bias to have a reasonable conversation. Just here is moan and hate... Great.

          IF you had any credibility you would be able to see that he beat an Olympic Gold medalist in AJ who was the reigning two time 3 belt champion and HUGE, twice.

          Dubois has proven he is an absolute handful.

          And Tyson was universally recognised number 1. Beat him twice.

          I can already tell you're one of those posters who just poo poo facts because you're emotionally involved, so cool, don't bother.
          Dude, if you think Anthony Joshua is a “great” then I don’t know what to tell you.

          It’s not my intent at all to take away from Usyk’s glory as the current best fighter on the planet. But you decided to expand that out to him being the #1 P4P fighter of all time…which is something I’m going to have to disagree with.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

            Dude, if you think Anthony Joshua is a “great” then I don’t know what to tell you.

            It’s not my intent at all to take away from Usyk’s glory as the current best fighter on the planet. But you decided to expand that out to him being the #1 P4P fighter of all time…which is something I’m going to have to disagree with.
            Who has a better resume between fury and joshua? Its pretty clear it's joshua. You would have to put a lot of stock in beating wilder to put fury over joshua since they both beat wlad, whyte, and Wallin

            We found out wilder was mostly hype whose resume doesn't compare to guys like povetkin ruiz jr or parker. 3 guys better than wilder right there or at worst same level and joshua has 3 of them to furys 1.

            I don't see anything wilder has done to make that an all time great win for fury. If you were making a tier list it would be like a B level win. A lot of hoopla at the time but it ddn't hold up and was truthfully overhyped at the time do to knockouts against nobodies and one guy ortiz. Zhang knocked out wikder and Joyce and isn't being hyped 10 percent of what wilder was. It was good marketing and fun but end of the day resume tells the tale and Wilders was mid at best. We shouldn't transfer Wilders hype to fury simply because he beat him just like no one is saying Bruno surace is a top guy now that he beat hyped munguia
            Last edited by daggum; 12-22-2024, 12:51 PM.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by daggum View Post

              Who has a better resume between fury and joshua? Its pretty clear it's joshua. You would have to put a lot of stock in beating wilder to put fury over joshua since they both beat wlad, whyte, and Wallin

              We found out wilder was mostly hype whose resume doesn't compare to guys like povetkin ruiz jr or parker. 3 guys better than wilder right there or at worst same level and joshua has 3 of them to furys 1.
              Joshua has been beaten by Andy Ruiz and Dubois, daggum.

              Not just by Usyk.
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              • #27
                Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

                I don’t know about P4P #1 of all time, let’s not get too carried away. Throughout boxing history there have been several great fighters who could beat up people twice their size.

                But I do think Usyk deserves his flowers for being the best fighter in the world at the present moment,
                ^^ , This Usyk is the best P4P fighter currently in the sport .........
                Last edited by Brother Mouzone; 12-22-2024, 12:59 PM.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by ShoulderRoll View Post

                  Dude, if you think Anthony Joshua is a “great” then I don’t know what to tell you.

                  It’s not my intent at all to take away from Usyk’s glory as the current best fighter on the planet. But you decided to expand that out to him being the #1 P4P fighter of all time…which is something I’m going to have to disagree with.
                  I'm saying that AJ was the unified, 3 belt world champion when Usyk beat him... Twice. He was also the biggest name in the sport.

                  Whether you think AJ was good or not, is irrelevant. It was a great win.

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                  • #29
                    He's not American (or Mexican), so he can't be #1

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                    • #30
                      You’re dang right he is

                      Usyk number 1 and Inoue number 2

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