Comments Thread For: Why we should classify a failed test as a positive for boxing

[BoxingUpdates]

While it would be wrong to say that news of a positive performance-enhancing drugs test in boxing is cause for celebration, there is a silver lining to be found, writes Elliot Worsell
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[Toffee]

I don't doubt they're all pushing the boundaries. So a positive test isn't that far removed from someone just under the line.

But then I look at sports like soccer. With the riches on offer it's inconceivable that players aren't pushing the boundaries... yet you see very few positive tests.

Obviously there's a bigger issue in boxing because of the danger element, but it's probably overstated if they're all juicing anyway.

[57Blues]

yea i figure a positive is due to sloppy math in not getting the numbers down in time, and it is in all sport but boxing due to the nature of it should be the sport that has the strictest most accurate, most relieable testing available. But of course no-- it is boxing so there is not much that can be done. This sport that has fighters in the ring who go into seizures in the ring during a fight and not from contact from med history boxing that puts a fighter 24 hours out of drug rehab out in the ring to break down mentally boxing that has a 60 year old man pretend to fight in the ring recently all this and so much more. Can not expect much out the those guys.

[STREET CLEANER]

There is so much money in sports especially for the top echelon that there are labs working to fool detection.

When the MLB went on strike and came back they lost a lot of fans. The following season they ignored the rampant steroids use with some players having monster seasons. The type of performance that they were putting brought fans back and then they scaled it down. This issue will never go away.

[IronDanHamza]

A better silver lining would be actually letting the public know what's going on and not have this nonsensical "confidentially" crap.

Conor Benn won 3 hearings and was cleared yet we don't actually know why he was cleared.

In this case, Dennis McCann has popped for 2 substances yet for some reason we aren't being told which ones.

[Donnie Herrera]

When the public stops playing dumb and admidts that the top in boxing are cheaters...and not just in boxing but in every industry in the world as a whole!!!...Your boss at work slept their way to the top...lied and backstabbed their way to that nice glass office that they're never in!!!...So yeah...this naive world has a lot of catching up to do...criminals run the world and most of them have a 9 to 5 with a suit and tie!!!...You think something like...integrity and honesty mean anything in this world...let alone in boxing???...The criminals won't let you fuck up their money and they will cut your head off if you try!!!...

[zod66]

Rip usada

[BodyBagz]

Clean fighters kill other clean fighters
Roiders have yet to kill (or seriously injure) someone.

[Jack_sh*t]

I'm watching the Haney v Garcia lawsuit with interest. Imagine if a precedent is set whereupon a fighter testing positive is deemed to be guilty of assault & battery, that would certainly up the ante.

Before anyone jumps on this, I realise it's a highly unlikely outcome. However, if you look at the development of what lawfully constitutes s3xual assault today, is it that unlikely? If a person stealthily removes a condom during consensual s3x then in law the consent is withdrawn and it becomes r4pe. Given that, it's not that huge a leap to the scenario where fighters could be legally prosecuted for physical assault. After all, their opponent presumably contractually consented to fighting another clean athlete.

We are constantly seeing the disparities between the interests of the sport against the interests of the business of boxing. It's a safe bet that wherever there is controversy there will be lawyers keeping an eye out for business opportunities. More laws means more for lawyers to exploit, and if ever there was an industry with less morals and greater corruption than the fight game it's lawyers.

Given the human propensity for cheating to gain advantage, I do see why some have advocated for a clear playing field in just doing away with testing altogether and allowing fighters to ingest whatever they like. However, then what of the fighters who are clean and don't wish to risk their health by utilising chemical advantage? Do we then create a separate organisation for them?

Long, rambling comment..
In my defence I think I may test positive for excess caffeine..

[Sparked_26]

I'm not an expert but pretty much everything that doctor quoted in this article sounds plain wrong.

72 hours post urine test for something to not show. With no reference to the half life of drugs, quantaties taken, individual differences. I'm sure even dope is traceable in urine for an impossibly long time months probably.

A lot of Doctors around sport are charlatans.

Based on those quotes alone it sounds like he's **** in trouble. He sounds like an idiot.