Robeisy Ramirez Reportedly Has An Orbital Fracture

[crimsonfalcon07]

I tried posting the YouTube video “short” that examines the moments shown in your stills. Obviously I was unable to. In the comments section to the vid there is, unsurprisingly, division as to what actually happened. It appears to these eyes that Espinoza threw a right with a bent arm. The elbow certainly makes contact with Ramirez’s face — quite possibly on the eye, but that aspect is inconclusive. Divino follows up with a very tightly coiled left, where it’s difficult to determine if he’s attempting an uppercut, a left hook, or simply an elbow. It misses. In that moment, Robeisy jumps away to the side, as if wincing in reaction to the previous punch (elbow?). If there was any moment where an elbow fractured Ramirez’s orbital bone, this must’ve been it. I didn’t see anything else during the fight, or afterwards. I maintain that Salas should’ve complained to the ref about an elbow landing and causing double-vision. Easy to say now, in light of what happened, but it turned out to be a mistake. Below are my best attempts at screen-captures. I believe they provide reasonable support to what I stated above. Were the elbows intentional? Impossible to prove, but I believe so. Espinoza threw at least one elbow in the previous fight, and he was warned for a blatant elbow in the first round of the rematch. In round five an elbow lands on Robeisy’s face (possibly eye), and a follow-up left appears questionable. But intentional or not, the guy was all elbows and it appears to have caused the injury that stopped the fight. That should’ve caused the rematch to be ruled a no-decision. Just my take.

I am fine with this take. It's perfectly reasonable. The only thing I take issue with is the notion that he is, without doubt, a dirty fighter. As I've said before, he certainly COULD be. But IMO there's sufficient evidence to suggest that if the damage was caused by an elbow in the 5th round (and remember, he was complaining about elbows in 4, not in 5), that it certainly could have been an accident resulting from a missed cross, and not intentional, which, as you say, is impossible to prove. He was throwing that punch from closer range, he's a long fighter, and as such, he was guaranteed to have a bent arm, and since he was punching from above, the elbow anatomically must be raised. It's part of the textbook technique for the punch he was throwing, which IMO was a reasonable punch to try to throw in that moment. I also disagree with the characterization that he was "all elbows" because there were only 3, and the aborted uppercut, in the entire fight, although that chicken wing in the first round was indeed very su****ious.

Regardless, I absolutely agree that the doctor should have been immediately consulted and the ref told about the possible elbow and double vision. In that case, it would have also been reasonable to declare either a no contest, or go to the cards if Ramirez really couldn't continue. Going out to "see how it goes" was terrible advice that could have gone even worse, and if I were Ramirez I'd be considering a new trainer right now.

I'm also gonna mention that I watched his fights vs Sanchez and Mwerangi and didn't see anything even close to an elbow in either fight.

[garfios]

No doubt. I was very impressed with how Robeisy completely changed his approach to the first fight. He was very effective. Espinoza won the first four rounds of the earlier match, while Ramirez won the first 4/5 rounds in the sequel. There was still plenty to go, but things were looking real good for the Cuban. Divino had no answers through five. I’m left wondering if Robeisy would’ve turned up the heat in the later rounds. Really sucks we never got to find out.

He was hitting the body hard, espinoza didn't like it one bit, maybe he resorted to the elbow because of that, in the first fight Ramirez was head hunting but he hit espinoza with a bodyshot that bothered him a lot. I think that was the game plan all along. What a shame.

[garfios]

I am fine with this take. It's perfectly reasonable. The only thing I take issue with is the notion that he is, without doubt, a dirty fighter. As I've said before, he certainly COULD be. But IMO there's sufficient evidence to suggest that if the damage was caused by an elbow in the 5th round (and remember, he was complaining about elbows in 4, not in 5), that it certainly could have been an accident resulting from a missed cross, and not intentional, which, as you say, is impossible to prove. He was throwing that punch from closer range, he's a long fighter, and as such, he was guaranteed to have a bent arm, and since he was punching from above, the elbow anatomically must be raised. It's part of the textbook technique for the punch he was throwing, which IMO was a reasonable punch to try to throw in that moment. I also disagree with the characterization that he was "all elbows" because there were only 3, and the aborted uppercut, in the entire fight, although that chicken wing in the first round was indeed very su****ious.

Regardless, I absolutely agree that the doctor should have been immediately consulted and the ref told about the possible elbow and double vision. In that case, it would have also been reasonable to declare either a no contest, or go to the cards if Ramirez really couldn't continue. Going out to "see how it goes" was terrible advice that could have gone even worse, and if I were Ramirez I'd be considering a new trainer right now.

I'm also gonna mention that I watched his fights vs Sanchez and Mwerangi and didn't see anything even close to an elbow in either fight.

I was going to said the same thing, you can add chirino, he was teeing off of those three, not even a forearm, but he was not facing adversity and maybe just maybe the elbows were in his game plan against Ramirez, after all he was dropped hard in the first fight, but if anyone is denying the elbows, it is just blind fanatism. Because the elbows were involved repeatedly, are you going to tell me that you're beating up three different guys and there's no elbow, and you getting beat and the elbows comes to play accidently.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I am fine with this take. It's perfectly reasonable. The only thing I take issue with is the notion that he is, without doubt, a dirty fighter. As I've said before, he certainly COULD be. But IMO there's sufficient evidence to suggest that if the damage was caused by an elbow in the 5th round (and remember, he was complaining about elbows in 4, not in 5), that it certainly could have been an accident resulting from a missed cross, and not intentional, which, as you say, is impossible to prove. He was throwing that punch from closer range, he's a long fighter, and as such, he was guaranteed to have a bent arm, and since he was punching from above, the elbow anatomically must be raised. It's part of the textbook technique for the punch he was throwing, which IMO was a reasonable punch to try to throw in that moment. I also disagree with the characterization that he was "all elbows" because there were only 3, and the aborted uppercut, in the entire fight, although that chicken wing in the first round was indeed very su****ious.

Regardless, I absolutely agree that the doctor should have been immediately consulted and the ref told about the possible elbow and double vision. In that case, it would have also been reasonable to declare either a no contest, or go to the cards if Ramirez really couldn't continue. Going out to "see how it goes" was terrible advice that could have gone even worse, and if I were Ramirez I'd be considering a new trainer right now.

I'm also gonna mention that I watched his fights vs Sanchez and Mwerangi and didn't see anything even close to an elbow in either fight.

I’m fine with this reply as well. I’ll only add that Ramirez was simply confused as to the round. He clearly meant round 5, not 4. Nothing happened in round four. I’ve now watched and rewatched so much footage from this fight that I’m rather sick of it. Haha After the elbow in round five and the missed left, Robeisy moves sharply to his left, looks momentarily at the ref, as if in protest, then resumes fighting. We have limited resources to replay the moment; but if the announcers had caught the elbow in real time, their techs probably could’ve replayed a much clearer image of the telling blow. I doubt anything could be done now. A protest had to be made between rounds 5 and 6, and a ring doctor consulted. I truly doubt that right hand early in round six caused the injury. I believe it was the elbow in round five. Such is life.

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I friggin told you idiots - dude didnt just 'no mas' off a jab.

@ that POS Mark Kriegel, capping on Ramirez for quitting. As far as I know, Kriegel has never boxed, yet he can pass judgment on a fighter who couldn't see straight, due to a fractured orbital bone. At least Bradley said he'd wait for the diagnosis before passing judgement.

[Brother Mouzone]

@ that POS Mark Kriegel, capping on Ramirez for quitting. As far as I know, Kriegel has never boxed, yet he can pass judgment on a fighter who couldn't see straight, due to a fractured orbital bone. At least Bradley said he'd wait for the diagnosis before passing judgement.

Fractured orbital bone is very serious and could be career ending he did the smart thing .Dubois went thru the same thing and look at him now a hell of a redemption story .

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Fractured orbital bone is very serious and could be career ending he did the smart thing .Dubois went thru the same thing and look at him now a hell of a redemption story .

Absolutely! anyone who criticizes a fighter for quitting because their eye socket is literally broken, DKSAB. Nor do they have common sense.

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He was hitting the body hard, espinoza didn't like it one bit, maybe he resorted to the elbow because of that, in the first fight Ramirez was head hunting but he hit espinoza with a bodyshot that bothered him a lot. I think that was the game plan all along. What a shame.

I definitely believe that Espinoza resorted to cheating by throwing intentional elbows. Ramirez was boxing him beautifully and frustrated the less-experienced fighter early. That's when we saw the elbows on the follow-through punches. I don't recall elbows in their first fight, as Robesi was confused with how to deal with Espinoza's length. The cheater was having a great night, so there was no reason to cheat.

[garfios]

I definitely believe that Espinoza resorted to cheating by throwing intentional elbows. Ramirez was boxing him beautifully and frustrated the less-experienced fighter early. That's when we saw the elbows on the follow-through punches. I don't recall elbows in their first fight, as Robesi was confused with how to deal with Espinoza's length. The cheater was having a great night, so there was no reason to cheat.

Ftom the first round, he and his corner knew he would need to create his own openings, no more freebies and the body was paying the price.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I definitely believe that Espinoza resorted to cheating by throwing intentional elbows. Ramirez was boxing him beautifully and frustrated the less-experienced fighter early. That's when we saw the elbows on the follow-through punches. I don't recall elbows in their first fight, as Robesi was confused with how to deal with Espinoza's length. The cheater was having a great night, so there was no reason to cheat.

I noticed one elbow by Espinoza in the first fight. It wasn’t blatant, just on the follow-through. My reaction was, “Oh, sheet…old school.” Lol But in light of what happened in the rematch, it doesn’t seem so harmless anymore. Apparently, Ramirez’s corner warned the ref that there had been elbows in the earlier fight and to be on the look-out. Sure enough, Divino threw a couple of blatant elbows in round one, and the referee was right on it. Unfortunately, he missed the elbows thrown (of which one landed) in round five. Even more unfortunate, Robeisy’s corner didn’t notify the officials. Very bad move. This fight should’ve at the least been ruled a no-contest. Ramirez was winning the bout up to that point, so it’s possible they would’ve awarded him the fight.