Robeisy Ramirez Reportedly Has An Orbital Fracture

[garfios]

I tried posting the YouTube video “short” that examines the moments shown in your stills. Obviously I was unable to. In the comments section to the vid there is, unsurprisingly, division as to what actually happened. It appears to these eyes that Espinoza threw a right with a bent arm. The elbow certainly makes contact with Ramirez’s face — quite possibly on the eye, but that aspect is inconclusive. Divino follows up with a very tightly coiled left, where it’s difficult to determine if he’s attempting an uppercut, a left hook, or simply an elbow. It misses. In that moment, Robeisy jumps away to the side, as if wincing in reaction to the previous punch (elbow?). If there was any moment where an elbow fractured Ramirez’s orbital bone, this must’ve been it. I didn’t see anything else during the fight, or afterwards. I maintain that Salas should’ve complained to the ref about an elbow landing and causing double-vision. Easy to say now, in light of what happened, but it turned out to be a mistake. Below are my best attempts at screen-captures. I believe they provide reasonable support to what I stated above. Were the elbows intentional? Impossible to prove, but I believe so. Espinoza threw at least one elbow in the previous fight, and he was warned for a blatant elbow in the first round of the rematch. In round five an elbow lands on Robeisy’s face (possibly eye), and a follow-up left appears questionable. But intentional or not, the guy was all elbows and it appears to have caused the injury that stopped the fight. That should’ve caused the rematch to be ruled a no-decision. Just my take.

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The proof is in the pudding, right after the sequence you mentioned, he complained to the ref and his eye started to swell on the lower part of his eye, what is it call that part? Orbital bone? Another thing is, the ref wasn't in a position to see the left but he did saw the right and he warned espinoza. The guy is dirty, plain and simple. Very seldom in boxing they do the right thing, but I think Ramirez’s team should a least ask for a hearing with the WBO and the Arizona commission. espinoza put this man on danger with illegal punches. Actually, they should have going to the scorecards because of the 4 rounds rule. The ref should have checked Ramirez’s eye and call the foul.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Thanks for the efforts Cu****uyNYC!

I'm of the opinion that Espinoza did try to use his elbows intentionally at least twice, but I must admit that I'm not sure the stills you just posted prove the orbital fracture. When watching that minute of the round in particular, it appeared that Espinoza missed with a right cross and Ramirez leads in with his head causing Espinoza's forearm to slide along the right side of the face of Ramirezending with the elbow making contact. I don't think the elbow makes contact in a striking way though.

I don't want to call Espinoza a dirty fighter but I have to acknowledge that some of his tactics were indeed questionable. I'm a fan of Floyd and must admit that he also snuck in elbows at times. Trinidad also landed some low blows in times were he was in trouble. It's roughhousing that can be considered part of the sport. Some fighters use it more than others but I've yet to see a fighter that never landed a questionable low blow or shot..

You’re welcome. The stills were the best I could do. The little vid I got them from is played on a loop in a YouTube “short.” It’s not conclusive either; but it gives a better idea, I think. It all happened very quickly in real time, and the ref wasn’t in the best position to see it. Ramirez didn’t complain on the spot, or in-between rounds, but this appears to be the only possible moment the claims could be supported. Elbows have been intentionally thrown, especially on the follow-through, forever, by many fighters. I typically don’t consider it a huge deal — unless, as in this case (it appears), fight-ending damage was inflicted. The bout is over, and the results are in. Nothing is likely to change the outcome. I’m not going to go around calling Espinoza a dirty fighter who stole the rematch; I just find it interesting and fun to dissect what happened with fellow fans.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

The proof is in the pudding, right after the sequence you mentioned, he complained to the ref and his eye started to swell on the lower part, what is it call that part? Orbital bone? Another thing is, the ref wasn't in a position to see the left but he did saw the right and he warned espinoza. The guy is dirty, plain and simple. Very seldom in boxing they do the right thing, but I think Ramirez’s team should a least ask for hearing with the WBO and the Arizona commission. He put this man on danger with illegal punches. Actually, they should have going to the scorecards because of the 4 rounds rule. The ref should have checked Ramirez’s eye and call the foul.

I want to commend you for being a reasonable fight fan and not a hater or a nut rider. You are obviously a fan of Ramirez and of the same Nationality and approached the conversation respectfully without bias. Wish more posters were like you, instead we get lots of hate or excuses at all cost because of the extreme bias due to nationality, culture etc...

Cheers to you brother!

[CubanGuyNYC]

The proof is in the pudding, right after the sequence you mentioned, he complained to the ref and his eye started to swell on the lower part, what is it call that part? Orbital bone? Another thing is, the ref wasn't in a position to see the left but he did saw the right and he warned espinoza. The guy is dirty, plain and simple. Very seldom in boxing they do the right thing, but I think Ramirez’s team should a least ask for a hearing with the WBO and the Arizona commission. espinoza put this man on danger with illegal punches. Actually, they should have going to the scorecards because of the 4 rounds rule. The ref should have checked Ramirez’s eye and call the foul.

I agree. Kinda doubt anything would be done now, but Ramirez’s team definitely should’ve made a stink on the spot. A doctor should’ve been called to examine the eye. What’re ya gonna do? It’s in the books.

[MulaKO]

I agree. Kinda doubt anything would be done now, but Ramirez’s team definitely should’ve made a stink on the spot. A doctor should’ve been called to examine the eye. What’re ya gonna do? It’s in the books.

That’s on Salas
And now another reason to hate him
Your corner are supposed to be your eyes and your voice of reason

[CubanGuyNYC]

That’s on Salas
And now another reason to hate him
Your corner are supposed to be your eyes and your voice of reason

Agreed. Supposedly Salas told Robeisy to go out in the sixth and “see how he feels.” Took a shot right in the affected eye almost immediately. Lol I gotta laugh on that one. The timing was just too much. Lol But it would make sense. If you’ve got double-vision in one eye, you’re likely to miss an incoming blow to that side. I’ve said it a few times now: It’s all easy to say in hindsight, but the trainer should’ve complained in-between rounds and asked for a ring doctor to examine the eye. Salas is a very experienced man; he truly messed up here. Anyway, if you’re interested, you can find the telling moment at 20:36 in the full fight video on YouTube. I believe it looks worse in real-time. Ramirez looks at the ref momentarily, as if in protest, but continues to fight. There was still about 2:16 left in the round.

[MulaKO]

Agreed. Supposedly Salas told Robeisy to go out in the sixth and “see how he feels.” Took a shot right in the affected eye almost immediately. Lol I gotta laugh on that one. The timing was just too much. Lol But it would make sense. If you’ve got double-vision in one eye, you’re likely to miss an incoming blow to that side. I’ve said it a few times now: It’s all easy to say in hindsight, but the trainer should’ve complained in-between rounds and asked for a ring doctor to examine the eye. Salas is a very experienced man; he truly messed up here. Anyway, if you’re interested, you can find the telling moment at 20:36 in the full fight video on YouTube. I believe it looks worse in real-time. Ramirez looks at the ref momentarily, as if in protest, but continues to fight. There was still about 2:16 left in the round.

Yes I recall that moment
Salas is truly a crappy trainer imo
And I don’t chit on boxers or trainers but yet he’s driven me to this point , honestly

[CubanGuyNYC]

Yes I recall that moment
Salas is truly a crappy trainer imo
And I don’t chit on boxers or trainers but yet he’s driven me to this point , honestly

I missed it in real time. Looking at the video now I realize that Kriegel was giving his score and assessment of the fight at that point, and the announcers didn’t have an opportunity to bring the moment to our attention. (Assuming they caught it themselves.) The fight went on; and unless you saw the elbow as it happened, you were likely to be at a loss as to where the injury took place. Adding to the confusion, Robeisy was mistaken about which round it occurred (he said it was the fourth, when in actuality it was the fifth); but it’s normal for a fighter to lose track of what round he’s in. Ramirez was winning the fight up to that point, and wasn’t taking any punishment. The right that landed on his eye at the start of the sixth didn’t appear to be anything extraordinary. I don’t see any reason for Robeisy to quit other than that elbow strike damaging his eye. Anyway, it is what it is.

[garfios]

I want to commend you for being a reasonable fight fan and not a hater or a nut rider. You are obviously a fan of Ramirez and of the same Nationality and approached the conversation respectfully without bias. Wish more posters were like you, instead we get lots of hate or excuses at all cost because of the extreme bias due to nationality, culture etc...

Cheers to you brother!

Thank you very much and your comments are appreciated. I'm a fan long before any of the current fighters were born, so, that means boxing for me comes first. And yes, I'm Cuban but I have been away from the Island for over 44 years, most Cubans support our fighters because we know the struggles they went through just to find their freedom. I believe if you resort to offensive words and mocking to make your point, there's wasn't a point to make to begin with. Be safe brother and thanks again.

[MulaKO]

I missed it in real time. Looking at the video now I realize that Kriegel was giving his score and assessment of the fight at that point, and the announcers didn’t have an opportunity to bring the moment to our attention. (Assuming they caught it themselves.) The fight went on; and unless you saw the elbow as it happened, you were likely to be at a loss as to where the injury took place. Adding to the confusion, Robeisy was mistaken about which round it occurred (he said it was the fourth, when in actuality it was the fifth); but it’s normal for a fighter to lose track of what round he’s in. Ramirez was winning the fight up to that point, and wasn’t taking any punishment. The right that landed on his eye at the start of the sixth didn’t appear to be anything extraordinary. I don’t see any reason for Robeisy to quit other than that elbow strike damaging his eye. Anyway, it is what it is.

Yup , it really is what it is
But I do hope he gets rid of his whole corner