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Can Robeisy Ramirez bounce back like Duran and who should Rafael Espinoza fight next?

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  • Can Robeisy Ramirez bounce back like Duran and who should Rafael Espinoza fight next?

    Aware that the end was anticlimactic, and people are not liking how Robeisy handled the situation, his team's is also at fault as the trainer Ishmael Salas should had requested medical attention after Robeisy Ramirez directly told him was seeing double. Perhaps he could had continued or perhaps not, but at least the public would had understood the situation better if a professional medic stated the condition he was in and if the fight could be a no contest if the outcome was due to an illegal elbow if the tape was properly ran back.

    It was up to him to ensure his wellbeing. Whether or not people agree with how he handled the situation, though quitting in the middle of the round, without attempting to at least keep busy to see if he can continue like many other pro fighters have done, does seem like he isn't willing to go the extra mile if he is at disadvantage.

    He is still a big player at 126 and there are still plenty of options like Nery, Carrington, Leo and Ball. It took about 2 years for Roberto Duran to compete at the top level, but Robeisy could likely fight a top-level opponent after he recovers in 2025.

    As for Rafael Espinoza, I thought he was making adjustments and was being more effective from round 3 to 6 when Ramirez stucked to a difficult gameplan to follow, moving through the whole ring against a much taller fighter and work the body, Espinoza subtle was also taking a toll on Robeisy, getting caught with shots whenever he was in the ropes and counters whenever RR aimed for the body. He likely would had been in better condition than Ramirez in the later rounds as well. This wasn't Espinoza best performance, but he did have a great outcome showing the dangers there is of fighting tall hard punching boxer like him.

    Think Espinoza should attempt to unify against Angelo Leo or Nick Ball whose on the shortest featherweight champions in history, he could also move up against Emmanuel Navarrete, unless Vaquero were to fight O'shaquie Foster. Espinoza vs Navarrete would be a great fight, that could crown Divino as a two division champion that beat Ramirez X2 and Navarrete Or further legitimize Vaquero's career, be a potential Hall Of Famer.

    Rafael Espinoza vs Naoya Inoue could also be a wonderful match up, but with Inoue's plans already set up for 2025 before thinking of moving up his fifth division and Espinoza contemplating 130 based on what is the more beneficial option. Difficult to say if they are going to be in the same division.

    Thoughts?



    Last edited by Malvado; 12-08-2024, 09:40 PM.

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    Been watching and a fan of the sweet science for almost 40+ years and I’d like to state that I have nothing good to say about his trainer Ismael Salas
    Never liked his style of training and found that he was limited to a plan and nothing more ( no B or C in case A wasn’t working )
    His name in the pro ranks got elevated by him training guys who came out of the amateurs with enough good boxing skills where he didn’t need to do much , if you get what I mean
    Ramirez disappointed me with his reaction whether truthful or not , just not a way to behave especially in a boxing ring
    And yes you are 100% right that his corner should of intervened and called over the doctor which would of saved him some face
    You say he’s a big player
    I believe he’s a big target now that other fighters have seen the reaction from him when the tough got going
    The blueprint , to some degree , has been carved out on how to beat him
    Can he come back ???
    I believe anybody can come back if they really want it but it’s a long way to the top if he wants to get there

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    • #3
      The comparison to Duran is a stretch. Roberto is arguably a top-five ATG, who was already a great by the “no mas” fight. Even so, his reputation took a huge hit after that fiasco. Duran managed to string together an amazing run when he was already past his prime, and beyond his best weight. Few fighters in the history of this sport — if any— have done the same. Ramirez is already 30 years old. Beyond winning a world title and holding it for a few months, he hasn’t done much in the pros. Maybe he’s got a half-dozen decent fights left in him, but whatever potential he promised at the outset of his career is probably up in smoke. Sucks, but Olympic gold medals don’t mean what they used to.

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      • #4
        Ramirez is 30 - I doubt Top Rank or anyone else is going to invest in rebuilding him.

        Best case is he gets a title shot on the road in Japan or UK or something when someone eventually calls looking for a scalp.

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        • #5
          I honestly think he’s killed his career. He’d have to show up and beat someone really good to earn back some goodwill. I don’t think going in there with anyone less than an Espinoza will do it. The irony of course being it should now be next to impossible to score such a fight in his current position. Or will it? This IS boxing, after all.

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          • #6
            Goofy comparison but he could be used for 2 more fights depending on how it goes. I doubt his career is completely dead depending on how his next fight goes.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Joseph View Post
              I honestly think he’s killed his career. He’d have to show up and beat someone really good to earn back some goodwill. I don’t think going in there with anyone less than an Espinoza will do it. The irony of course being it should now be next to impossible to score such a fight in his current position. Or will it? This IS boxing, after all.
              Absolute irony is that given he was somewhere in the top 3 of the other rankings as well, if he chose to wait for a mando for the other three he may have gotten a belt back that way next year.

              The first fight with Espinoza being close and great lead to the drama of a rematch build up and as a result I think he ended up taking the hardest route which ended in the worst way in terms of future career.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by edpboxing
                Ramirez vs Segawa . Maybe Ramirez vs Villa, loser is gone from TR
                Sagawa would beat him imo
                Would he really get accolades if he beat Villa ???
                Mind you I’d say that’s 60/40 fight ( closer to a pick’em )

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MulaKO View Post

                  Sagawa would beat him imo
                  Would he really get accolades if he beat Villa ???
                  Mind you I’d say that’s 60/40 fight ( closer to a pick’em )
                  More so just mentioning the Villa fight , as winner keeps their contract/gets a furure fight(s) on TR card(s), not that it really proves anything for Ramirez facing a lite punching boxer like Villa.

                  I’m a Villa fan tbh, so just wanna see him get one more opportunity lol

                  id prefer TR throw Ramirez in with Segawa though

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by edpboxing View Post

                    More so just mentioning the Villa fight , as winner keeps their contract/gets a furure fight(s) on TR card(s), not that it really proves anything for Ramirez facing a lite punching boxer like Villa.

                    I’m a Villa fan tbh, so just wanna see him get one more opportunity lol

                    id prefer TR throw Ramirez in with Segawa though
                    Segawa imo would beat him hard
                    I like Villa but don’t see that dog in him

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