Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao, Vinny Paz, and Michael Nunn lead 2025 International Boxing Hall of Fame class

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Id of put Nigel Benn in over Vinny Paz who was also on the ballot.

Benn and Eubank should have been in years ago. They actually have a HOF career. Vinny and Nunn do not. Those who vote clearly don't have the credentials to be making these votes. It's embarrassing. But at least it's in tune with the rest of boxing being a circus at this point.

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Manny Pacquiao doesn’t deserve a spot in the 2025 International Boxing Hall of Fame class because his career is nothing more than a glorified tale of exploitation and opportunism. Stripped of the fanfare, his so-called “greatness” crumbles under scrutiny. He built his reputation not on undeniable skill or legendary bouts but on preying upon washed-up fighters well past their prime, padding his record with meaningless wins that did nothing to elevate the sport.

No, that's Canelo you're thinking of.

[joseph5620]

Vinny won 5 world titles from LW to SM , broke his neck and they said he would never walk again, trained wearing a head stabilizer and defied everybody to make a successful comeback a year later, no magic sea water here just pure grit. Paz was a genuine fighter from head to toe. I don't mind him getting in at all; the HOF is about your contribution to boxing. Its not about a pound-for-pound ranking, his career is strong and he has a great boxing story

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The official criteria is this..

the criteria for the IBHOF’s modern category says “Voting shall be based upon a boxer’s achievements in the ring as a professional boxer”.

Based on that which is the HOF voting criteria, Pazienza does not belong in it. If you induct every fighter that overcame adversity into the HOF there would be a long list of fighters that are not in it.

[MulaKO]

I’m bored this morning. You know you can dissect resumes easily, right? Even if it’s as dense as Pacquiao’s…

A few things:

#1: Bradley remembered for his war against Jessie Vargas? War? My brother, that was an easy fight for Bradley. Jessie’s only moment in that fight was the last 10 seconds. Nothing else.

#2: Mosley was coming off of a draw against Sergio Mora. Not the loss to Floyd. Get it right. Most people forget that.

#3: While you may be right that Pacquiao only “touch and go” at 135 and 140 (one win a piece). Was there anybody around those weight classes at the time that would’ve given him fits? And if there were, given how omnipotent he looked, I’d favor him over everyone. Juan Díaz, Humberto Soto, Joan Guzman, Ali Funeka…Pacquiao would’ve squashed everybody back then.

What I’ve always had a problem with (and I’m grasping at straws here) is how Margarito got ranked after one obscure fight against Robert Garcia (after the suspension) and they made his next fight (with Pacquiao) a title fight at 154…at a catch weight…at 150…..which is closer to 147 than 154. So, I dunno.

Pacquiao’s going to be an 8 division champ but that was more the organizations wanting to facilitate history and be part of the moment. I don’t think Pacquiao would’ve beaten a legitimate 154 pounder like Trout or Lara at the time…but then again, those two have really bad styles to go up against when you’re riding a super hot win streak.

Haters gotta hate lol

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Vinny won 5 world titles from LW to SM , broke his neck and they said he would never walk again, trained wearing a head stabilizer and defied everybody to make a successful comeback a year later, no magic sea water here just pure grit. Paz was a genuine fighter from head to toe. I don't mind him getting in at all; the HOF is about your contribution to boxing. Its not about a pound-for-pound ranking, his career is strong and he has a great boxing story

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Who says the HOF is about your contribution to the sport? It should be about your ability in the win, who you beat and accomplishments. If it’s about contributions , then expect Jake Paul to get in one day. Paz was as mediocre as it was when it came to talent, skill, and list of wins. Tough guy, a personable character, resilient, inspirational, great story, sure. A hall of fame talent? Nope.

[joseph5620]

Who says the HOF is about your contribution to the sport? It should be about your ability in the win, who you beat and accomplishments. If it’s about contributions , then expect Jake Paul to get in one day. Paz was as mediocre as it was when it came to talent, skill, and list of wins. Tough guy, a personable character, resilient, inspirational, great story, sure. A hall of fame talent? Nope.

Exactly. Changing the narrative of what the HOF was intended to be is just an excuse for putting undeserving boxers in there.

The criteria for the IBHOF is clear.


the criteria for the IBHOF’s modern category says “Voting shall be based upon a boxer’s achievements in the ring as a professional boxer”.

Nothing in the criteria says anything about what they did outside of the ring.

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The official criteria is this..

the criteria for the IBHOF’s modern category says “Voting shall be based upon a boxer’s achievements in the ring as a professional boxer”.

Based on that which is the HOF voting criteria, Pazienza does not belong in it. If you induct every fighter that overcame adversity into the HOF there would be a long list of fighters that are not in it.

How do referees that have never fought get in ? its more than the narrow criteria you think it is and Vinny won 5 world titles , compare him to say Hatton.

It describes the nature of voting here.

http://www.ibhof.com/pages/induction...ts_2020_2.html

Unlike other sports that have specific numerical thresholds to indicate future enshrinement into the Hall of Fame, boxing is a much more subjective sport. There are many factors beyond raw numbers that voters use when considering a fighter's candidacy and when approximately 200 or more electors participate in the voting process, opinions will vary greatly. Because of this variance of opinion the Hall of Fame utilizes a system that honors the top vote recipients of a pre-determined number of candidates, rather than a hard percentage of votes

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Who says the HOF is about your contribution to the sport? It should be about your ability in the win, who you beat and accomplishments. If it’s about contributions , then expect Jake Paul to get in one day. Paz was as mediocre as it was when it came to talent, skill, and list of wins. Tough guy, a personable character, resilient, inspirational, great story, sure. A hall of fame talent? Nope.

Who says, the list that are in it including referees says its more than ability.

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Who says, the list that are in it including referees says it’s more than ability.

Perhaps you don’t know that are different aspects to the hall of fame inductions. Referees or announcers are getting in as those positions, not as boxers. A boxers personality and inspiring story are cool but shouldn’t overcome being a mediocre talent with mediocre wins in your resume. You just made up your own narrative for why boxers get in and have now twisted yourself in a pretzel. Better luck next time.

[joseph5620]

How do referees that have never fought get in ? its more than the narrow criteria you think it is and Vinny won 5 world titles , compare him to say Hatton.

It describes the nature of voting here.

http://www.ibhof.com/pages/induction...ts_2020_2.html

Unlike other sports that have specific numerical thresholds to indicate future enshrinement into the Hall of Fame, boxing is a much more subjective sport. There are many factors beyond raw numbers that voters use when considering a fighter's candidacy and when approximately 200 or more electors participate in the voting process, opinions will vary greatly. Because of this variance of opinion the Hall of Fame utilizes a system that honors the top vote recipients of a pre-determined number of candidates, rather than a hard percentage of votes

I don't agree with that either. I also don't agree with actors playing boxers getting in.

You keep repeating "5 world titles" without context. The IBO, IBC, and WBU are not legitimate world titles and the fighters Pazienza beat for titles are not legitimate world champions outside of Haugen and Dele. He also lost in 3 attempts for the junior welterweight title. His record against top ranked opponents and world champions is not good. That's not HOF worthy material. Hatton beating Kosta Tszyu is more impressive than any win on Pazienza's reume.