Comments Thread For: Shakur Stevenson tells Floyd Schofield to go through Abdullah Mason to get to him

[Elheath]

You boys are so rhee-tar-ted! In my entire life of watching boxing since the '80s there have only been a handful of meaningful fights that were never made:
1. Mike Tyson vs George Foreman
2. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Aaron Pryor
3. LenOX Lewis vs Rid**** Bowe
4. Roberto Duran vs Alexis Arguello
5. Floyd PPVweather vs Paul Williams
Most of you on this site aren't true fans so I'll give you a few recent ones that should have been made that weren't and surprise Al Haymon and PBC are guilty
1. GRJ vs Leo Santa Cruz
2. Jermell Charlo vs Jarrett Hurd
3. Wilder vs AJ (Hearn's fault)
4. Canelo vs Jermall / Andrade (Dazn's fault)
5. Shakur Stevenson vs Lomachenko
Those are ten fights over a 50 year period that didn't get made in America. The first five were basically the cold war between Don King and Bob Arum. The other five were mainly due to Haymon couldn't force LSC to fight GRJ and Dazn's entry into the American market. Other than that every single BIG fight we wanted in America we got. And yes by the American promoters. So WTF do you mothafuqkers be talking about???

Under the "recent" ie last 2-3 years tab of fights involving notable American boxers...who's fault does the following not happening fall under (in no particular order)?
1) Canelo vs Benavides at 168
2) Crawford vs Jermell at 154
3) Fulton vs MJ for 122 undisputed (I certainly wanted to see it in 2022 before Inoue moving up and MJ losing to Tapales)
4) Tank vs Teo or Haney for 135 undisputed/unification/etc
5) Teo vs Subriel Matias (it was wanted until he lost to Paro which was unrelated to Turki) at 140.
6) Crawford vs Boots at 147 (they had more than enough time together to make it happen before Turki mattered)
None of those happened prior to Turki and none of those looks to happen in the future anymore regardless of Turki. Unless you are blaming sleazy Eddie/DAZN's faults on Turki too before Turki existed.

By the way, who do you think Crawford would've fought in 2024 if not for Turki overpaying him to fight the unknown Madrimov for the 154 belt? I have a bad feeling he may not have fought at all if not for the overpay, seeing Spence these days.

[DClefthook]

Are you mad that some boxers are now making more money than before so that US promoters no longer can be cheap and pocket more profits? Because that is the impression I'm getting from your complaints.'Ol Len.

People tend to forget but Turki only became a big name in boxing on late 2023 (the "Day of Reckoning" was December 2023 if I recall). Boots and Ortiz had more than enough time prior to that to get a fight set at US by US promoters, but they didn't unrelated to Turki. Shakur refused fighting Haney for undisputed due to "money not enough" before Turki had influence. Tank is...still the same Tank who likes fighting safe opponents unrelated to Turki.

The question is, knowing it didn't happen until now what makes you think if not for Turki butting into boxing to your dismay, Ortiz and Boots would've agreed to fight in US for for cheaper when they had no intent on agreeing up through last year, when Turki didn't exist?

With all due respect good Sir I don't know if you suffer from willful ignorance or selective amnesia but I think YOU tend to forget that it was only 6 years ago that Eddie Hearn and his homeboy from Russia hit the American market with this new venture named DAZN were they proclaimed that they were going to "save American boxing" and were going to "sign all the American boxers" and "only charge 9.99 per month" and...and this is my favorite "PPV IS DEAD". And I can distinctly remember some of us telling you guys that it was a bait and switch and they would never succeed. Well lets fast forward six years from 2018 to 2024 and whether you want to acknowledge it or not, I WAS RIGHT AND YOU WERE WRONG. After six years in America not only did they fail to make an American star but they haven't been able to retain any that they did sign. 9.99 per month jumped up 200% to 29.99 per month and they did more PPVs than anyone else in 2024. Where's Len Blatnavik. I bet I could find Bigfoot riding bareback on the Loch ness Monster before I can find 'Ol Len. Now Eddie wants to return with the Iron Shiek and tell us this time he's for real for real. This is what the Parisians would refer to as Deja vu! But once again I'm here to tell you this is another Ponzi scheme by the Pied Piper from the British Parliament except this time I'm begging you not to fall for it my friend!!!

[DClefthook]

Are you mad that some boxers are now making more money than before so that US promoters no longer can be cheap and pocket more profits? Because that is the impression I'm getting from your complaints.

People tend to forget but Turki only became a big name in boxing on late 2023 (the "Day of Reckoning" was December 2023 if I recall). Boots and Ortiz had more than enough time prior to that to get a fight set at US by US promoters, but they didn't unrelated to Turki. Shakur refused fighting Haney for undisputed due to "money not enough" before Turki had influence. Tank is...still the same Tank who likes fighting safe opponents unrelated to Turki.

The question is, knowing it didn't happen until now what makes you think if not for Turki butting into boxing to your dismay, Ortiz and Boots would've agreed to fight in US for for cheaper when they had no intent on agreeing up through last year, when Turki didn't exist?

Here's the thing I've been trying to get across to you guys for years now. We are the only country in the world that have multiple successful sports that generate billions of dollars worth of income each year so we're kinda spoiled. The NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, UFC, NCAA I could go on and on but you get the point. All of these sports are controlled by a single governing body under one banner which is why they are extremely successful. Boxing is our only sport that operates in a wild wild west fashion. The sport has zero structure at all. The old guard ( Arum, Oscar, Haymon, Espinoza etc) are the only ones keeping this thing afloat. Not one single entity has a monopoly on the sport which means anyone can come in and make a mess of things in a relatively short amount of time (DAZN). That's what Eddie Hearn and now Turkey is doing. Which pisses real fans like me off because just when I think we're getting closer to one single organization then BAM here's comes someone else mucking things up!

[DClefthook]

Are you mad that some boxers are now making more money than before so that US promoters no longer can be cheap and pocket more profits? Because that is the impression I'm getting from your complaints.

People tend to forget but Turki only became a big name in boxing on late 2023 (the "Day of Reckoning" was December 2023 if I recall). Boots and Ortiz had more than enough time prior to that to get a fight set at US by US promoters, but they didn't unrelated to Turki. Shakur refused fighting Haney for undisputed due to "money not enough" before Turki had influence. Tank is...still the same Tank who likes fighting safe opponents unrelated to Turki.

The question is, knowing it didn't happen until now what makes you think if not for Turki butting into boxing to your dismay, Ortiz and Boots would've agreed to fight in US for for cheaper when they had no intent on agreeing up through last year, when Turki didn't exist?

When HBO left the game in 2018 it was about a 6 month period when it was only Top Rank on ESPN and PBC on Showtime. Oscar and GBP were homeless and they only had two options to sign with. Being as though Oscar still had Canelo signed to him it was a foregone conclusion that he would have signed to Showtime because all his fighters were matched to PBC fighters. We were on the cusp of another golden era in boxing then BOOM out of nowhere here comes DAZN to FUQK everything up. Here are a few fights since 2018 we would have goten by now:
1. Wilder vs AJ probably I, II and III on Showtime
2. Fury vs AJ non PPV in America (maybe)
3. Canelo vs Jermall / Andrade
4. Jermall vs Munguia / Andrade
5. Triple G vs Jermall / Andrade
6. Boots vs Virgil on Showtime regular
7. Tank vs Devin vs Ryan vs Shakur vs Lomachenko vs Teofemale vs Pitbull Cruz etc
You see by Dazn coming in and providing a 3rd option (excuse or side of street) for these guys to not fight each other they really fuqked the sport up in America

[DClefthook]

Reports are right now that Top Rank may end up on the same network with PBC when their exclusive deal with ESPN runs out in 2025. If that happens then Oscar would have no choice but to bring GB along for the ride. That would be the best outcome for fans on both sides of the pond because that would eliminate the so called 'sides of street' between the BIG 3 promoters and Turkey and Dazn could do all the fights between the UK and Saudi which would be a win win for all!!!

[Elheath]

Here's the thing I've been trying to get across to you guys for years now. We are the only country in the world that have multiple successful sports that generate billions of dollars worth of income each year so we're kinda spoiled. The NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, UFC, NCAA I could go on and on but you get the point. All of these sports are controlled by a single governing body under one banner which is why they are extremely successful. Boxing is our only sport that operates in a wild wild west fashion. The sport has zero structure at all. The old guard ( Arum, Oscar, Haymon, Espinoza etc) are the only ones keeping this thing afloat. Not one single entity has a monopoly on the sport which means anyone can come in and make a mess of things in a relatively short amount of time (DAZN). That's what Eddie Hearn and now Turkey is doing. Which pisses real fans like me off because just when I think we're getting closer to one single organization then BAM here's comes someone else mucking things up!

So basically you are mad at sleazy Eddie not Turki or Saudi or whatever inhumane crap they got going there, gotcha. That makes a lot more sense, because boxing in the US was on a ****ty trend from well before Turki came to play essentially last year with overmarination and side of the street and platform ego.

But if you wanted a monopoly single organization like the rest of the sports or UFC wouldn't it be better to hope for Turki to overpay everything and get rid of the old guard as a whole? I mean he's the only multi-trillionaire that is willing to lose money to make it happen and it seems and Arum/Haymon/Oscar ain't gonna hug and kiss and dance together on their own.

Unless you meant you want a monopoly AND have it in USA, something they were incapable of doing since before Eddie was out of his diaper.

[Elheath]

Reports are right now that Top Rank may end up on the same network with PBC when their exclusive deal with ESPN runs out in 2025. If that happens then Oscar would have no choice but to bring GB along for the ride. That would be the best outcome for fans on both sides of the pond because that would eliminate the so called 'sides of street' between the BIG 3 promoters and Turkey and Dazn could do all the fights between the UK and Saudi which would be a win win for all!!!

IF they decide to put their hatred behind and agree to folk dance around Amazon Prime together then it will be great, but I won't celebrate until it happens. The PPV will still be high because Amazon isn't paying ****s to PBC, but atleast it is one entity which is a start, something that hasn't happened in decades.

[Oregonian]

Under the "recent" ie last 2-3 years tab of fights involving notable American boxers...who's fault does the following not happening fall under (in no particular order)?
1) Canelo vs Benavides at 168
2) Crawford vs Jermell at 154
3) Fulton vs MJ for 122 undisputed (I certainly wanted to see it in 2022 before Inoue moving up and MJ losing to Tapales)
4) Tank vs Teo or Haney for 135 undisputed/unification/etc
5) Teo vs Subriel Matias (it was wanted until he lost to Paro which was unrelated to Turki) at 140.
6) Crawford vs Boots at 147 (they had more than enough time together to make it happen before Turki mattered)
None of those happened prior to Turki and none of those looks to happen in the future anymore regardless of Turki. Unless you are blaming sleazy Eddie/DAZN's faults on Turki too before Turki existed.

By the way, who do you think Crawford would've fought in 2024 if not for Turki overpaying him to fight the unknown Madrimov for the 154 belt? I have a bad feeling he may not have fought at all if not for the overpay, seeing Spence these days.

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Truer words have never been spoken.

[Oregonian]

Aghhhhh well let me retort sir! Saudi Arabia has never been or will never be our greatest ally sir (militarily speaking). That designation is reserved for countries like England, Isreal, Japan, Canada and Australia. Don't get it twisted. Saudi Arabia is a friendly adversary. As soon as the fossil fuels run out so will the love we have for them. George Herbert Walker Bush sent the troops over there in '91 to save the oil, not the Saudis. I remember that all to well being as though I had several family members in theatre.....and furthermore.....

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What are we doing “selling” them all that military warfare that’s now in the hundreds of billions?

[Elheath]

Ideally they get all of US egos on Amazon Prime and make it worthy enough that Amazon is willing to make it free for all Prime subscribers instead of PPV. I mean, it is already free in the other side of the other pond, why not USA too?