The Ring Reveals Their Latest P4P Rankings: Canelo "El Pato" Alvarez Now Removed in Top 5 for Excessive Cherrypicking and Dropped Down to #6. Beterbiev Moves Up to #4 and Bivol to #5 After Their War!

[BodyBagz]

Inoue recent opps -
Whonehy....old AF
Nery....eh. Who is his best W
Tamales....who ?
Featherfisted Fulton...
Butler......is what he really is

Beter's -
Biv....FINALLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smith.....Nelo did it 1st
Yarde....never won a big fight
Smith.....Biv did it 1st
Browne

Benny's -
Whozyk......UD
Lil DooDoo....And people made fun of Nelo vs Charla !!!
Plant (his best W) UD......Nelo did it 1st and better
LeMeh.....He was shot when BHS son'd him
Whorone David

Bud's -
Some nobody with a strap
Spence....No doubt, a huge W due to how easy it was.
Whonasyan
Porter....The Del Boy of the WW div. Never amounted to anything.
Brook....was a fringe level guy in his prime. Never amounted to anything

Nelo's -
Berlanga
Munguia
Charla ("At least he didn't KMTFO" )"
Ryder
TripleFlop 3. TripleFlop beating some Asian guy named Murata was considered thrilling !!!! A fight that happened the same year as the Nelo 3 fight !

But yeah
Nelo should not be p4p king

(HW's should not be eligible)

A comment where there are no opinions

[Elheath]

Berlanga Munguia
Charla ("At least he didn't KMTFO" )"
Ryder
TripleFlop 3. TripleFlop beating some Asian guy named Murata was considered thrillin
A comment where there are no opinions

You kinda said it yourself.

Berlanga-forget world title, never even fought a ranked guy in his division until Canelo. 122 equivalent is David Picasso (young, has a nicely padded "undefeated" record, never fought a top 10 dude in his career, became a mandatory to an undisputed champ due to good activity and the luck of the guy above being defeated/moved up in division).
Munguia-a former beltholder five years ago while two division below, on the positive still in physical prime and still the best guy on paper out of the 5 and the 3rd best contender at the time after the two Davids. I guess maybe a Nery, including the Mexican storyline and such?
Charla-overbloated 154, a shame that it was even allowed to be sanctioned as an undisputed fight at 168 to begin with. Makes Ryder look like a great opponent simply due to atleast being rated in the same division. Probably the closest would be Inoue forcing Bam to move up to 122 for next fight and claim it to be a super clash at Vegas and the most worthy opponent at 122 than the top ranked guys at the same division.
Ryder- an underwhelming borderline contender in the division at the time, but a former interim beltholder for the same division. I guess the closest would be Doheny, an underwhelming opponent in the same division who is a former belt holder, works as a stay busy fight while making some extra cash).
TripleFlop 3-while certainly old and overrated, however I think it still made sense from a financial point of view for Canelo and coming off the Bivol loss it was an understandable easy fight. Possibly like Inoue fighting Casimero last year back when he still had some sliver of pull left.

The more I look at it, the more I get p!ssed at the worthless Charla fight which was the turning point fight that made me irked at Canelo's opponent choices. I actually really like active beltholders and not a part of the worthless "holy-0" religion and Canelo was the rare type that followed it up until Bivol fight. Canelo would've won against both Davids had he fought them instead of Ryder/Charla, but just refused to prove it in the ring while making up excuses to not fight them.

You can say double standard, but I would certainly b!tch and moan and would have bashed the heck if Inoue's last five fights at 122 consisted of Casimero, Doheny, Bam pulled up from 115, Nery, then Picasso in that order while ignoring the existence of Fulton and MJ until they finally moved up to 126 after getting tired of waiting (for example sake suppose Tapales never existed and MJ was still the undefeated unified champion at 122 when he left).

[BodyBagz]

You kinda said it yourself.

Berlanga-forget world title, never even fought a ranked guy in his division until Canelo. 122 equivalent is David Picasso (young, has a nicely padded "undefeated" record, never fought a top 10 dude in his career, became a mandatory to an undisputed champ due to good activity and the luck of the guy above being defeated/moved up in division).
Munguia-a former beltholder five years ago while two division below, on the positive still in physical prime and still the best guy on paper out of the 5 and the 3rd best contender at the time after the two Davids. I guess maybe a Nery, including the Mexican storyline and such?
Charla-overbloated 154, a shame that it was even allowed to be sanctioned as an undisputed fight at 168 to begin with. Makes Ryder look like a great opponent simply due to atleast being rated in the same division. Probably the closest would be Inoue forcing Bam to move up to 122 for next fight and claim it to be a super clash at Vegas and the most worthy opponent at 122 than the top ranked guys at the same division.
Ryder- an underwhelming borderline contender in the division at the time, but a former interim beltholder for the same division. I guess the closest would be Doheny, an underwhelming opponent in the same division who is a former belt holder, works as a stay busy fight while making some extra cash).
TripleFlop 3-while certainly old and overrated, however I think it still made sense from a financial point of view for Canelo and coming off the Bivol loss it was an understandable easy fight. Possibly like Inoue fighting Casimero last year back when he still had some sliver of pull left.

The more I look at it, the more I get p!ssed at the worthless Charla fight which was the turning point fight that made me irked at Canelo's opponent choices. I actually really like active beltholders and not a part of the worthless "holy-0" religion and Canelo was the rare type that followed it up until Bivol fight. Canelo would've won against both Davids had he fought them instead of Ryder/Charla, but just refused to prove it in the ring while making up excuses to not fight them.

You can say double standard, but I would certainly b!tch and moan and would have bashed the heck if Inoue's last five fights at 122 consisted of Casimero, Doheny, Bam pulled up from 115, Nery, then Picasso in that order while ignoring the existence of Fulton and MJ until they finally moved up to 126 after getting tired of waiting (for example sake suppose Tapales never existed and MJ was still the undefeated unified champion at 122 when he left).

Nelo's resume, including his last 5 opps > everyone's
No other way to say it

[Elheath]

Nelo's resume, including his last 5 opps > everyone's
No other way to say it

And I fully agree, because resume is cumulative. Given that his resume up to Bivol alone trumps everyone else, so of course adding five more mehs won't subtract from his resume, it just doesn't add on much more.
The two statements can be true at the same time:
1) Canelo's resume overall is the best of all the active fighters.
2) Canelo's last 5 opponents were underwhelming and missed out on opponents fans wanted more.

Keep in mind contrary to what you may think I actually like(d) Canelo's activity and fights until the last 1.5 years aka eff you worthless Charla match that should've been Benavides and none of this would've mattered.

[Elheath]

Thankyou very unintelligent censors you can no longer use even a generic phrase like "XXX tr umps YYY"

[BodyBagz]

And I fully agree, because resume is cumulative. Given that his resume up to Bivol alone *****s everyone else, so of course adding five more mehs won't subtract from his resume, it just doesn't add on much more.
The two statements can be true at the same time:
1) Canelo's resume overall is the best of all the active fighters.
2) Canelo's last 5 opponents were underwhelming and missed out on opponents fans wanted more.

Keep in mind contrary to what you may think I actually like(d) Canelo's activity and fights until the last 1.5 years aka eff you worthless Charla match that should've been Benavides and none of this would've mattered.

Charla and Khan.....I could have done without
I'm sure that can be said of every fighter
It would be nice if all meh opps were pointed out
Everyone seems to enjoy KOs so The "Monster's" meh opps are acceptable ?

[Elheath]

Charla and Khan.....I could have done without
I'm sure that can be said of every fighter
It would be nice if all meh opps were pointed out
Everyone seems to enjoy KOs so The "Monster's" meh opps are acceptable ?

Unfortunately when you are significantly better than the rest of your division, everyone becomes a meh opponent by comparison regardless of who you fight. The difference is whether you at least chose the best available of your limited meh choices, or despite having a better choices available you deliberately choose the worse option. Simply speaking, even if two students score 65 points on two different exam, but one guy was taking an exam where you could only score a maximum of 70 points while the other guy was taking an exam where the max was 100 points, the former will be praised while the latter will not even if they both score the same flat number of points. Context matters, and even if the latter wants to argue that it is unfair that he should get praised like the other dude because they scored the same number of points, and that is not double standards.

Frankly at this point everyone knows that Canelo will not rematch Bivol regardless of 168/175, nor go up to 175 to fight Artur/Benavides/Morrell. He's too small, and that is a physical fact. He managed to get a belt from an easy target which is more than enough to be a four division beltholder, but no one, even the most devoted Canelo fan, will be willing to argue that he is capable of becoming the best of 175 because there is a point where physical limitation makes things out of control, regardless of talent or skill. For same reason, I believe Inoue will become undisputed in 126 and then retire at that division in a few years or have the outside chance of getting a belt at 130 if the timing matches but he certainly won't clear out and go undisputed in a 4th division. Physical limitations exists, that is why weight classes exists in boxing.

However given that he's very likely going to sit in 168 until his retirement, as long as he's staying there you would hope that he would fight the best of the mehs, even if they are left overs. The fact is that Canelo is considered the top guy of 168, and for the past five fights he has fought at 168 as the top guy of 168. Yet out of those five opponents he faced, not one of them were considered the top guy (outside himself, obviously) available in 168.
GGG III was a retirement cashout not even a 168. Ryder was...forget top 1 was he even considered borderline top 10 back then, now to think of it? I believe the issue with bloated Charla has been more than discussed enough, not even a top 10 equivalent at 168. Munguia was...I think the third highest ranked after him behind the Davids? Berlanga is not even a top 5. With the Davids out of 168 ranking now and having already defeated Munguia, the next best guy available in a 168 is Mbilli but the crazy rumors are saying that he may be fighting Eubank Jr next, which is yet another choice worse than the best available of the leftovers of 168 (Mbilli). Coincidentally, all five guys that are ranked above him has fought the highest ranked guy of their own division excluding themselves atleast once in the last 5 fights, to go back to the original topic.

You obviously are a huge fan of Canelo. You also aren't a mentally dumb person and I'm pretty sure you understand exactly what the difference is between the treatment they get, but just don't want to accept it because you really like Canelo. That is why every time someone mentions how Canelo's last five opponents are disappointing, you keep on pointing out the fact that Canelo's OVERALL resume is the best out of all active fighters (which I agree is true), but will never say that Canelo's last five opponents are the best out of all active fighter's last five opponents...because more than anyone else, you yourself know as not true and that there were multiple better opponents IN HIS OWN DIVISION that were available for picking, which he refused to take by choice. Are you willing to argue from the bottom of your heart that Canelo's last five opponents included the best guy in the division at the time?

Canelo having the best total resume out of active fighters is a fact.
Canelo not having fought the best guy after him in 168 at the time of the fight in the last 5 fights is also an undeniable fact.

Think of it this way...since coming up to 168, when was the last fight where Canelo fought the best rated opponent in this division at the time of the fight excluding himself?

[BodyBagz]

Unfortunately when you are significantly better than the rest of your division, everyone becomes a meh opponent by comparison regardless of who you fight. The difference is whether you at least chose the best available of your limited meh choices, or despite having a better choices available you deliberately choose the worse option. Simply speaking, even if two students score 65 points on two different exam, but one guy was taking an exam where you could only score a maximum of 70 points while the other guy was taking an exam where the max was 100 points, the former will be praised while the latter will not even if they both score the same flat number of points. Context matters, and even if the latter wants to argue that it is unfair that he should get praised like the other dude because they scored the same number of points, and that is not double standards.

Frankly at this point everyone knows that Canelo will not rematch Bivol regardless of 168/175, nor go up to 175 to fight Artur/Benavides/Morrell. He's too small, and that is a physical fact. He managed to get a belt from an easy target which is more than enough to be a four division beltholder, but no one, even the most devoted Canelo fan, will be willing to argue that he is capable of becoming the best of 175 because there is a point where physical limitation makes things out of control, regardless of talent or skill. For same reason, I believe Inoue will become undisputed in 126 and then retire at that division in a few years or have the outside chance of getting a belt at 130 if the timing matches but he certainly won't clear out and go undisputed in a 4th division. Physical limitations exists, that is why weight classes exists in boxing.

However given that he's very likely going to sit in 168 until his retirement, as long as he's staying there you would hope that he would fight the best of the mehs, even if they are left overs. The fact is that Canelo is considered the top guy of 168, and for the past five fights he has fought at 168 as the top guy of 168. Yet out of those five opponents he faced, not one of them were considered the top guy (outside himself, obviously) available in 168.
GGG III was a retirement cashout not even a 168. Ryder was...forget top 1 was he even considered borderline top 10 back then, now to think of it? I believe the issue with bloated Charla has been more than discussed enough, not even a top 10 equivalent at 168. Munguia was...I think the third highest ranked after him behind the Davids? Berlanga is not even a top 5. With the Davids out of 168 ranking now and having already defeated Munguia, the next best guy available in a 168 is Mbilli but the crazy rumors are saying that he may be fighting Eubank Jr next, which is yet another choice worse than the best available of the leftovers of 168 (Mbilli). Coincidentally, all five guys that are ranked above him has fought the highest ranked guy of their own division excluding themselves atleast once in the last 5 fights, to go back to the original topic.

You obviously are a huge fan of Canelo. You also aren't a mentally dumb person and I'm pretty sure you understand exactly what the difference is between the treatment they get, but just don't want to accept it because you really like Canelo. That is why every time someone mentions how Canelo's last five opponents are disappointing, you keep on pointing out the fact that Canelo's OVERALL resume is the best out of all active fighters (which I agree is true), but will never say that Canelo's last five opponents are the best out of all active fighter's last five opponents...because more than anyone else, you yourself know as not true and that there were multiple better opponents IN HIS OWN DIVISION that were available for picking, which he refused to take by choice. Are you willing to argue from the bottom of your heart that Canelo's last five opponents included the best guy in the division at the time?

Canelo having the best total resume out of active fighters is a fact.
Canelo not having fought the best guy after him in 168 at the time of the fight in the last 5 fights is also an undeniable fact.

Think of it this way...since coming up to 168, when was the last fight where Canelo fought the best rated opponent in this division at the time of the fight excluding himself?

Nelo will usually be the smaller guy in the ring, even at his best weight.

What excuses do those who stay put have ???

I believe Nelo would have rematched Biv had he won.
Now that he lost and is most likely going to rematch Beter, that plan is put on hold.

GGG is considered a MW ATG because of his string of title defenses. PURE MEH, but he "fought the best available opps" (AKA, padded the resyme). Highly ranked GARBAGE

If a so called unbiased fight fan cannot absolutely judge EVERY FIGHTER EQUALLY, well, that fan may as well stay quiet ?????

"KOs, doe !"

[j0zef]

Nelo's resume, including his last 5 opps > everyone's
No other way to say it

That's not how P4P works though. It is not a historical resume. It's the fighter's current standing against others assuming all are the same weight.

Currently, based on Canelo's last 5, he's nowhere close to top of P4P. His opponents have not been great. His best win over this time period is 115-113 win over 40 year old Golovkin. Canelo has not looked great, he looks checked out while collecting paydays against subpar opposition. Hell, he's not even hiding it. He has publicly stated that he wants huge $$ to fight anyone with a pulse. I forget when/where, but I remember an interview where Canelo said he is not planning to fight past 35. It was a long time ago, and things may have changed, but they may not have.

If you want to claim he has best resume of active fighters, sure, you're likely to win that argument. P4P wise though? He ain't close.

[BodyBagz]

Currently, based on Canelo's last 5, he's nowhere close to top of P4P.

Beter > Biv (FINALLY, Beter steps up to a legit opp )
But that's just ONE FIGHT

Bud destroyed Spence
Again, it took Bud half of his career to FIANLLY fight a legit opp

What other p4p lister can you think of who's last 5 fighgts can stack up to Nelo's ?

(HW's don't qualify)
And please, NAME THEM