I picked the puncher so gonna act he actually won

[The plunger man]

Right I know that you said, but it’s incorrect. I’ve just named you the rounds. Unless you are trying to argue Bivol clearly won any of those rounds?

I don’t understand how you can say Bivol deserved a draw at least and then also say Beterbiev won 6 rounds. There init has to be one more swing round the other way on your card and Beterbiev wins on your own card.

The judges already did score it correctly. There was nothing wrong with any of the 3 cards and all 3 are justifiable.

In the rematch Bivol would have to win more rounds.

I said he won 6 rounds according to compu stats not what I think he won...I'll give you that some rounds were close and could be given to which style you preferred....personally I had it 7-5 to bivol based on clean punches and defence.
I've never once said it was a robbery I said beterbiev was never 8-4 in rounds and that card is wrong 100% and even the round where both fighters landed exactly the same amount even though beterbiev threw almost double compared to bivol....you would score it beterbiev I would give to bivol.
I also think Leonard outboxed hagler and you probably give to hagler.
I hope there is a rematch as no fighter can say they clearly won

[IronDanHamza]

I said he won 6 rounds according to compu stats not what I think he won...I'll give you that some rounds were close and could be given to which style you preferred....personally I had it 7-5 to bivol based on clean punches and defence.
I've never once said it was a robbery I said beterbiev was never 8-4 in rounds and that card is wrong 100% and even the round where both fighters landed exactly the same amount even though beterbiev threw almost double compared to bivol....you would score it beterbiev I would give to bivol.
I also think Leonard outboxed hagler and you probably give to hagler.
I hope there is a rematch as no fighter can say they clearly won

Ok but you said there’s no way Beterbiev won 7 rounds whilst asp say if you had it 7-5 Bivol and some rounds were close. So if just two of those close rounds go the other way then you’d have 7 rounds for Beterbiev.

You’re saying it’s not a robbery but also saying there’s no way Beterbiev won 7 rounds so which is it?

The fact is there is a way he won 7 rounds. Theres a way he won 8 rounds. I’ve listed the rounds that he arguably won, there’s 8 of them.

[The plunger man]

Ok but you said there’s no way Beterbiev won 7 rounds whilst asp say if you had it 7-5 Bivol and some rounds were close. So if just two of those close rounds go the other way then you’d have 7 rounds for Beterbiev.

You’re saying it’s not a robbery but also saying there’s no way Beterbiev won 7 rounds so which is it?

The fact is there is a way he won 7 rounds. Theres a way he won 8 rounds. I’ve listed the rounds that he arguably won, there’s 8 of them.

a robbery is a fight where universally everybody says the judges were way off.....I've already said the fight was close so which part of that don't you understand...as for each round the most I can beterbiev is 6 rounds the other rounds....I can't give him the round where he lands the same as bivol but threw 40 more punches that alone tells me it's not affective aggression or clean punches all other rounds bivol outlanded him quite clearly even though he still threw less.....you dont know how to score a fight it's obvious and seem to be ignoring the basic 4 rules on scoring a fight.
Clean punches - bivol landed the harder more cleaner punches according to stats
Effective aggression - beterbiev threw 260 more punches than bivol and yet only connected with 29% compared to bivol
Defence - that's a no brainer
Ring generalship - a fight of two halves where is bivol won the first half of the contest using footwork and clean combinations and beterbiev pressure won him the most of the 2nd half.
As I said before I can see how beterbiev got 6 rounds on the fight but as I said no way did he win 8 rounds and that's proven by stats....you should not be given rounds by hitting gloves and air because it's not scoring shots plain and simple

[IronDanHamza]

a robbery is a fight where universally everybody says the judges were way off.....I've already said the fight was close so which part of that don't you understand...as for each round the most I can beterbiev is 6 rounds the other rounds....I can't give him the round where he lands the same as bivol but threw 40 more punches that alone tells me it's not affective aggression or clean punches all other rounds bivol outlanded him quite clearly even though he still threw less.....you dont know how to score a fight it's obvious and seem to be ignoring the basic 4 rules on scoring a fight.
Clean punches - bivol landed the harder more cleaner punches according to stats
Effective aggression - beterbiev threw 260 more punches than bivol and yet only connected with 29% compared to bivol
Defence - that's a no brainer
Ring generalship - a fight of two halves where is bivol won the first half of the contest using footwork and clean combinations and beterbiev pressure won him the most of the 2nd half.
As I said before I can see how beterbiev got 6 rounds on the fight but as I said no way did he win 8 rounds and that's proven by stats....you should not be given rounds by hitting gloves and air because it's not scoring shots plain and simple

No mate that’s the problem, I do know. You don’t.

You keep citing Compubox punch stats, I don’t know if you’re aware of this but Compubox punch stats are IRRELEVANT. And mean nothing.

The fact someone threw 40 punches less and unofficial landed the same amount, MEANS NOTHING.

These aren’t arguments you are making. To say these are “proven by stats” is just embarrassing. #1 these stats are formed by human beings clicking a clicker, they aren’t even accurate half the time and wide open to human error. Secondly, they’re just numbers, they don’t take into consideration the impact of the punch, effect of the punch, etc. Meaning, these things you think prove something in fact prove literally nothing.

You can keep repeating that there isn’t 7 rounds you can give Beterbiev all you want, you’re wrong and I’ve literally given you the 7 rounds Beterbiev arguably won. Unless you’re actually going to argue that Bivol has 7 clear rounds in the fight? That’s the only way you can make that argument .

[The plunger man]

No mate that’s the problem, I do know. You don’t.

You keep citing Compubox punch stats, I don’t know if you’re aware of this but Compubox punch stats are IRRELEVANT. And mean nothing.

The fact someone threw 40 punches less and unofficial landed the same amount, MEANS NOTHING.

These aren’t arguments you are making. To say these are “proven by stats” is just embarrassing. #1 these stats are formed by human beings clicking a clicker, they aren’t even accurate half the time and wide open to human error. Secondly, they’re just numbers, they don’t take into consideration the impact of the punch, effect of the punch, etc. Meaning, these things you think prove something in fact prove literally nothing.

You can keep repeating that there isn’t 7 rounds you can give Beterbiev all you want, you’re wrong and I’ve literally given you the 7 rounds Beterbiev arguably won. Unless you’re actually going to argue that Bivol has 7 clear rounds in the fight? That’s the only way you can make that argument .

It's means absolutely everything if you land the same amount and yet throw many more.....it's called ineffective agression which is one rule you should not judge boxing on....I see your now disregarding on one of the the basic rules on how boxing contests are scored which is effective aggression.
Another note how on earth can you say beterbiev could of got 8 rounds when at most he only outscored bivol in 6 rounds....justify to me how beterbiev could have won 8 rounds and if you can convince me he won those rounds on the basis of how you score a fight I'll say your correct.
It's plain obvious that beterbiev was not landing on bivol most of the time because if he did land those 260 punches then bivol would unrecognisable but all he had was a bruised eye....no cuts ,no swollen lips , almost no damage and yet he was a fighting a huge puncher.
I dont use stats I go by the eye test which why more expert reporters picked bivol.
The stats are the only thing that saves your argument because beterbiev won 6-5 with 1 even but if you go by how a boxing fight is judged bivol deserved a draw at least.
I would quite happily challenge you on boxing knowledge so let's not start talking about it.
Beterbiev won a razor thin decision that could have gone to bivol and the fight deserves a rematch

[IronDanHamza]

It's means absolutely everything if you land the same amount and yet throw many more.....it's called ineffective agression which is one rule you should not judge boxing on....I see your now disregarding on one of the the basic rules on how boxing contests are scored which is effective aggression.
Another note how on earth can you say beterbiev could of got 8 rounds when at most he only outscored bivol in 6 rounds....justify to me how beterbiev could have won 8 rounds and if you can convince me he won those rounds on the basis of how you score a fight I'll say your correct.
It's plain obvious that beterbiev was not landing on bivol most of the time because if he did land those 260 punches then bivol would unrecognisable but all he had was a bruised eye....no cuts ,no swollen lips , almost no damage and yet he was a fighting a huge puncher.
I dont use stats I go by the eye test which why more expert reporters picked bivol.
The stats are the only thing that saves your argument because beterbiev won 6-5 with 1 even but if you go by how a boxing fight is judged bivol deserved a draw at least.
I would quite happily challenge you on boxing knowledge so let's not start talking about it.
Beterbiev won a razor thin decision that could have gone to bivol and the fight deserves a rematch

Compubox statistics mean NOTHING. I don’t know how that could be made more clear I’ve literally isn’t explained to you why.

I’ll say it again for good measure;


These aren’t arguments you are making. To say these are “proven by stats” is just embarrassing. #1 these stats are formed by human beings clicking a clicker, they aren’t even accurate half the time and wide open to human error. Secondly, they’re just numbers, they don’t take into consideration the impact of the punch, effect of the punch, etc. Meaning, these things you think prove something in fact prove literally nothing

Do you understand the above?


And then how can you say “Bivol deserved a draw atleast” when your own “stats” have Beterbeiv winning the fight! Do you not understand maths? If your basis of Compubox stats, and you admit that Beterbeiv got 6, To Bivol’s 5 and 1 even, then that means that Beterbeiv wins the fight according to your (nonsensical) statistics. You do understand that? You can’t use that argument then say Bivol deserved a draw at least, it doesn’t work.


You’ve asked me again now how Beterbiev could have won 8 rounds. Do you not see my literally listing the rounds for you?

Rounds - 3,4,5,6,7,10,11,12. They are the eight rounds you can argue that Beterbeiv won. Do you understand?

Yes accordijf to Compubox he outlanded him in 6 rounds, luckily as everyone with a brain (should) know, fights aren’t judged on Compubox statistics because they #1 aren’t accurate and #2 don’t paint the picture of the fight.

[The plunger man]

Compubox statistics mean NOTHING. I don’t know how that could be made more clear I’ve literally isn’t explained to you why.

I’ll say it again for good measure;


These aren’t arguments you are making. To say these are “proven by stats” is just embarrassing. #1 these stats are formed by human beings clicking a clicker, they aren’t even accurate half the time and wide open to human error. Secondly, they’re just numbers, they don’t take into consideration the impact of the punch, effect of the punch, etc. Meaning, these things you think prove something in fact prove literally nothing

Do you understand the above?


And then how can you say “Bivol deserved a draw atleast” when your own “stats” have Beterbeiv winning the fight! Do you not understand maths? If your basis of Compubox stats, and you admit that Beterbeiv got 6, To Bivol’s 5 and 1 even, then that means that Beterbeiv wins the fight according to your (nonsensical) statistics. You do understand that? You can’t use that argument then say Bivol deserved a draw at least, it doesn’t work.


You’ve asked me again now how Beterbiev could have won 8 rounds. Do you not see my literally listing the rounds for you?

Rounds - 3,4,5,6,7,10,11,12. They are the eight rounds you can argue that Beterbeiv won. Do you understand?

Yes accordijf to Compubox he outlanded him in 6 rounds, luckily as everyone with a brain (should) know, fights aren’t judged on Compubox statistics because they #1 aren’t accurate and #2 don’t paint the picture of the fight.

no they are not they are judged on clean punches , effective aggression , defence and ring general ship and according to these 4 rules bivol won 3 of those over the fight …as I said to you show me the rounds over 6 that Beterbiev won…you can’t tell me because you know they don’t exist and someone as ignorant as you is as blind as a bat to see it.
if Beterbiev won that fight it’s by no more than 1 round and not 116-112 as you consistently yap on about…that’s my argument right there and 99% of people who watched that fight said 116-112 is way off…hitting air or gloves are not the criteria on how you score a fight.

[IronDanHamza]

no they are not they are judged on clean punches , effective aggression , defence and ring general ship and according to these 4 rules bivol won 3 of those over the fight …as I said to you show me the rounds over 6 that Beterbiev won…you can’t tell me because you know they don’t exist and someone as ignorant as you is as blind as a bat to see it.
if Beterbiev won that fight it’s by no more than 1 round and not 116-112 as you consistently yap on about…that’s my argument right there and 99% of people who watched that fight said 116-112 is way off…hitting air or gloves are not the criteria on how you score a fight.

Right. So why are you bringing up Compubox statistics then? When they are totally irrelevant for the reasons I’ve given you two seperate times. And then even going by your backwards Compubox logic, you’d still have the fight scored to Beterbiev by one point. So your own argument implodes in itself right there.

Can you read mate? I have literally listed the rounds about 4 times now.

I’ll do it again for you;

3,5,6,7,10,11,12 = 7 rounds you can feasibly score for Beterbiev. How can I make that clearer? Or are you trying to argue that Bivol won any of those listed rounds clearly?

I haven’t “yapped” about 116-112 once. I’ve just tried to explain to you that’s it’s a feasible card, which it is, that isn’t seeming to compute with you.

I had it 115-113 Beterbeiv. As did you plenty of others. Which is what tends to happen in close fights we’re both men arguably won 7 rounds or more.

[The plunger man]

Right. So why are you bringing up Compubox statistics then? When they are totally irrelevant for the reasons I’ve given you two seperate times. And then even going by your backwards Compubox logic, you’d still have the fight scored to Beterbiev by one point. So your own argument implodes in itself right there.

Can you read mate? I have literally listed the rounds about 4 times now.

I’ll do it again for you;

3,5,6,7,10,11,12 = 7 rounds you can feasibly score for Beterbiev. How can I make that clearer? Or are you trying to argue that Bivol won any of those listed rounds clearly?

I haven’t “yapped” about 116-112 once. I’ve just tried to explain to you that’s it’s a feasible card, which it is, that isn’t seeming to compute with you.

I had it 115-113 Beterbeiv. As did you plenty of others. Which is what tends to happen in close fights we’re both men arguably won 7 rounds or more.

you said 8 and there is not 8 rounds you can give to beterbiev....which is my argument in this thread not 7,6,5 etc and if you think beterbiev won 8 rounds your either blind or you don't have a clue how to score a round.
7-5 to beterbiev. Even at 6-6 or 7-5 bivol anything other than that is a bad scorecard it's that simple.
You repeatedly mentioned that beterbiev could have won 8 rounds and I'm telling you no way.

[IronDanHamza]

you said 8 and there is not 8 rounds you can give to beterbiev....which is my argument in this thread not 7,6,5 etc and if you think beterbiev won 8 rounds your either blind or you don't have a clue how to score a round.
7-5 to beterbiev. Even at 6-6 or 7-5 bivol anything other than that is a bad scorecard it's that simple.
You repeatedly mentioned that beterbiev could have won 8 rounds and I'm telling you no way.

Ok well no you actually said there isn't 7 rounds that he could have won. You're now going back on that and saying there is, which means your initial stance of "it was a draw at best" is incorrect.

Secondly, there is 8, that could feasibly be scored for Beterbiev. I HAVE LISTED THEM. Which part are you not getting mate, honestly? You can see where I've listed them right?

I'll do it again;

3,4,5,6,7,10.11,12

Get your fingers out and count the rounds listed above and tell me what number it adds up to.