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  • #31
    Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post

    Tell that to Bivol’s heavily bruised face. Sheer delusion.
    But thats not how boxing is scored. Beterbiev had small pockets where he clearly was landing well, but those were only in a few rounds. In most rounds Bivol was controlling tempo and landing shots. Beterbievs success were higher, but in fewer rounds.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by DeeMoney View Post

      But thats not how boxing is scored. Beterbiev had small pockets where he clearly was landing well, but those were only in a few rounds. In most rounds Bivol was controlling tempo and landing shots. Beterbievs success were higher, but in fewer rounds.
      Bivol wasn’t controlling the tempo whatsoever. Beterbiev was bossing the action from round 3 onwards IMO. It was highly competitive but Beterbiev was definitely controlling the geography of the ring.

      Bivol landed the flashier shots but Beterbiev landed the heavier shots. I think that’s were the dissension comes from.

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      • #33
        Beterbiev won his rounds by more and hit harder but in the ten point must system I HAD BIVOL WIN more rounds hence the fight. I am a CANADIAN and like both fighters but what I saw was Bivols gameplan and effort look like the winning one. He took the rounds off he needed to and its not like its easy to lose 10-8 unless you get dropped. He stood his ground when he needed to. Threw longer combos than Artur. The scores should have been reversed from watching on my tv. I was not ringside looking up so maybe it looked different to the judges.
        Some people saying Artur hit gloves all night, some say he landed. If he landed so much and hits so hard then it still didn’t drain Bivol enough over twelve. He went to the body only a couple times. I think a draw was as close as I could possibly hope for Beterbiev to get from what I saw. It wasn’t a 15 round fight. Don’t start slow.
        Artur needed to at least rock or wobble Bivol to prove he was doing that much more damage. He didn’t. He didn’t feel safe to put a bunch of punches together vs a fresh Bivol either.
        Close fight, but wrong guy won as far as what I saw.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by _Rexy_ View Post

          8-4 is fine. I had the same card. Most people gave Artur 9-12 consensus. 5-7 as well. That's six consensus rounds to Beterbiev.
          Well you are entitled to your opinion but you are in the minority in that opinion ofc we can all say "you don't know how to score boxing" and act like we are the only ones who do but when so many people are swaying one way... it's whatever it's done now i just think it was bull**** and sketchy af.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by RJJ-94-02=GOAT View Post
            Beterbiev was landing the heavier shots and was largely controlling the action.

            I can maybe see a draw but suggesting this was a robbery is lunacy.
            I think controlling the action is a stretch. There's effective aggression and there's following someone and hitting gloves a lot.

            I don't feel Beterbiev was controlling the action a lot of the time, that's why most his moments of momentum were quite sporadic throughout the fight. He couldn't build anywhere near the momentum he usually does because Bivol landed quire a lot on him, threw less but landed more and much higher %. I can understand why some would say Beterbiev was controlling the tempo, but I still feel Bivol landed the better work in more rounds than Beterbiev did.

            for that reason I struggle to find more than 5 rounds for him. I thought Bivol took 7 rounds.

            it was super competitive though and needs a rematch, both of them are superb really. The only one that can beat them is each other. The gulf between them and the next best in the division is massive.

            People's opinions are gonna differ, the majority of people in boxing seem to feel Bivol nicked it. It's only right to let him have another shot.

            I don't think it was the right result but it is the result, so let's see it again.
            Last edited by deathofaclown; 10-13-2024, 12:57 AM.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by deathofaclown View Post

              I think controlling the action is a stretch. There's effective aggression and there's following someone and hitting gloves a lot.

              I don't feel Beterbiev was controlling the action a lot of the time, that's why most his moments of momentum were quite sporadic throughout the fight. He couldn't build anywhere near the momentum he usually does because Bivol landed quire a lot on him, threw less but landed more and much higher %. I can understand why some would say Beterbiev was controlling the tempo, but I still feel Bivol landed the better work in more rounds than Beterbiev did.

              for that reason I struggle to find more than 5 rounds for him. I thought Bivol took 7 rounds.

              it was super competitive though and needs a rematch, both of them are superb really. The only one that can beat them is each other. The gulf between them and the next best in the division is massive.

              People's opinions are gonna differ, the majority of people in boxing seem to feel Bivol nicked it. It's only right to let him have another shot.

              I don't think it was the right result but it is the result, so let's see it again.
              I thought he was effectively cutting the ring off and was forcing Bivol move. I’ve never seen Bivol move laterally and backwards so much and that’s because of Beterbiev.

              He was consistently piercing the guard too, you only have to look at Bivol’s face, even if they were deflecting of gloves they were still causing damage.

              I think a lot of people fell into the trap of choosing style over substance. Bivol was landing flashy combinations but he was on his bike for the majority of rounds.

              I feel the right man won but I’m definitely up for a rematch.

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