Do you believe Tank Davis made $25 million in the Frank Martin fight?

[jqSide]

Why do they manufacture the numbers so much? Maybe because fans would gobble up everything like they're stu/pid, huh?

[The Big Dunn]

This thread is really weird. As are some of the responses.

Why are people so mad that Tank may have made $25 mil because he sold ppvs? I get you may not like him as a boxer, cool.

But the level of hate and jealousy by some in this thread makes them look extremely weak as people.

What would be the reasoning for the reporter to lie? What good is served in doing so?

[tomhawq]

Makes me wonder why some people are quick to believe such clearly exaggerated figures. Maybe because, unlike some of us, they didn't keep track of figures in the last decade or so. And it could be DAZN/Hearn's fault. But DAZN venturing into boxing was a start-up company at that time. They're willing to spend millions if not billion dollars back then.

PBC followers not content in getting outmatched by the figures, they started exaggerating figures for their fighters. Wilder, for example, pre-DAZN, made $2 mil in the Luis Ortiz 1 fight. He made an average of $1 mil in his 2-3 previous fights. Which simply means those were the prevailing values of fighters in big fights and what PBC could afford to pay. And they are big are even to this day. They never reached as high as $4 mil to $7 mil.

How is it that it shot up to $25 million for one fighter alone for a small fight like Martin vs Davis? Where did the money come from?

It all started when DAZN represented by Hearn came into the picture. $1 mil to $2 mil in big fights suddenly became too embarrassing for PBC fans to report.

[Elheath]

This thread is really weird. As are some of the responses.

Why are people so mad that Tank may have made $25 mil because he sold ppvs? I get you may not like him as a boxer, cool.

But the level of hate and jealousy by some in this thread makes them look extremely weak as people.

What would be the reasoning for the reporter to lie? What good is served in doing so?

Not sure if people are mad at Tank for potentially having made $25 mil (which I believe is complete BS, by the way) but likely mad at the fact that Tank fangirls will use that fake number as if it is a fact of life and why Tank is the greatest farce of boxing since sliced bread?

[The Big Dunn]

Not sure if people are mad at Tank for potentially having made $25 mil (which I believe is complete BS, by the way) but likely mad at the fact that Tank fangirls will use that fake number as if it is a fact of life and why Tank is the greatest farce of boxing since sliced bread?

Why do you think it’s BS?

Tank does between 12-14k live attendance. He has developed a strong base, many of the same fans that supported Floyd fights when he was doing big numbers.

Tell me why the reported would lie and the numbers are fake? Do you have any concrete evidence that his numbers have been elevated? Please share if you do.

Why fangirls? They’re just fans. If they think he is the face of boxing they are wrong but he is the top selling American boxer right now.

[Elheath]

Why do you think it’s BS?
Tank does between 12-14k live attendance. He has developed a strong base, many of the same fans that supported Floyd fights when he was doing big numbers.
Tell me why the reported would lie and the numbers are fake? Do you have any concrete evidence that his numbers have been elevated? Please share if you do.
Why fangirls? They’re just fans. If they think he is the face of boxing they are wrong but he is the top selling American boxer right now.

Simply because the numbers don't really add up when roughly estimated using the most biased imaginary numbers in favor of Tank.

Excluding the Ryan Garcia fight which was an obvious anomaly due to the popularity of the opponent, Tank has consistently sold in the low 200K for PPV. Lets be SUPER nice and say that despite fighting a very underwhelming and not that popular of an opponent in Frank Martin, Tank somehow added 50% to his non-Ryan fight average and it miraculously sold 350K x $75 for 26.25 million, and suppose for a 14000 live gate attendance he averaged $1000 per ticket (which is definitely not that high for sure), which is another 14 million. That is approximately 40 million right there but lets just throw in another 10 million from ads and sponsors and whatever imaginary source of money outside live gate and PPV.

Now, even after using every rose colored glasses available it comes down to $50 million income from the whole event...but NOT the net profit. So out of the "50 million" take out 25 million for Tank alone, which leaves 25 million to cover for every other expense. From there you need to pay Martin, Benavidez, and everyone else that fought which probably went 10 mil even if counting the low end, leaving 15 million. From there, you have to take out the cost of using the arena, whatever insurance necessary, the staff salaries, tax for the company in the future, etc etc...and most important of all, PBC needs to make profit out of it given that he's one of their biggest cash cows. Yeah, I don't see how in any way shape or form PBC can afford 25 million to Tank's purse alone. It isn't like they are a volunteer organization that is working for the minimal break even point to give the fighters the most money.

Also, you ask why a reporter would lie but by your reasoning if the guy claiming 25 million is correct that means that the other source reporting 2 million + PPV up to max 10 million with 800k PPV (which definitely didn't happen) is "lying" so by de facto someone is wrong here for sure. And given the generic calculations of the estimated PPV sales even when counting the higher end still doesn't even add up to 25 mil, unless you are considering that PBC somehow started to work for free and pay all the expense out of their pocket in order to give Tank that much. If anything the 25 million sounds more like a number that the reporter got from multiplying the whole PPV sale price and claiming that is what Tank "earned" because he's the main event.

If I were to take a guess personally, I think Tank likely got around 5-7 millions from the single fight including his 2 million guaranteed, and Martin maybe 2-3 million...which is still significantly more than what he's ever made, and makes sense that he rejected the 1 million offer from Shakur which was also his potential highest purse.

[tomhawq]

No wonder Norman turned down $1.7 million for the Ennis fight because of these exaggerated figures.

That's what seems to be happening. $1 million to less than $2 mil offer is now too small to accept.

In reality, Hearn without DAZN is just like any US promoter struggling to offer huge money for fighters. Recall that he threatened to sue Amanda Serrano for initially withdrawing from the Taylor fight. Hearn apparently gave Amanda $10K as initial payment and Eddie wanted it back. What is $10K? An amount that is probably not enough to cover for 3 weeks of training expenses. Looked cheap.

And now fanboys are not even content in concocting numbers 2X or 3X the real numbers. They have to magnify it 20X. Truly disgusting. Even PPVs are exaggerated in this day and age of waning interest in the sport and rampant free ******ing.

[tomhawq]

Take a look at another report from MSN:

"According to Sporty Salaries, $2 million is guaranteed for Gervonta Davis in the bout with Frank Martin. Frank Martin, the opponent, might get up to $500k, which would be the biggest payday of his career.

On fight day, if the bout between Frank Martin and Gervonta Davis surpasses the 800k pay-per-view sales mark, Gervonta Davis will potentially earn a maximum of $10 million. In comparison, Frank Martin may earn a maximum of $1.5 million."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/oth...ke/ar-BB1nZ2NC

Recall that Frank Martin was offered $1 million flat for the Stevenson fight. He turned it down. In the above report it could reach up to a max of $1.5 mil only if the PPV surpasses 800K. And we all know even 100K ppv is hard to achieve in this day and age of rampant piracy, not to mention more and more people are losing interest in boxing.

[tyler87432f]

Makes me wonder why some people are quick to believe such clearly exaggerated figures. Maybe because, unlike some of us, they didn't keep track of figures in the last decade or so. And it could be DAZN/Hearn's fault. But DAZN venturing into boxing was a start-up company at that time. They're willing to spend millions if not billion dollars back then.

PBC followers not content in getting outmatched by the figures, they started exaggerating figures for their fighters. Wilder, for example, pre-DAZN, made $2 mil in the Luis Ortiz 1 fight. He made an average of $1 mil in his 2-3 previous fights. Which simply means those were the prevailing values of fighters in big fights and what PBC aaad could afford to pay. And they are big are even to this day. They never reached as high as $4 mil to $7 mil.

How is it that it shot up to $25 million for one fighter alone for a small fight like Martin vs Davis? Where did the money come from?

Take Wilder, for example. He’s not the sharpest individual, and it’s likely he didn’t negotiate a strong deal with Haymon. So, the reports of Wilder earning massive amounts of money seem unrealistic.

[rickJen]

That's what seems to be happening. $1 million to less than $2 mil offer is now too small to accept.

In reality, Hearn without DAZN is just like any US promoter struggling to offer huge money for fighters. Recall that he threatened to sue Amanda Serrano for initially withdrawing from the Taylor fight. Hearn apparently gave Amanda $10K as initial payment and Eddie wanted it back. What is $10K? An amount that is probably not enough to cover for 3 weeks of training expenses. Looked cheap.

And now fanboys are not even content in concocting numbers 2X or 3X the real numbers. They have to magnify it 20X. Truly disgusting. Even PPVs are exaggerated in this day and age of waning interest in the sport and rampant free ******ing.

Crazy things have been happening in boxing for years now.
They're rejecting $1 - $2 mil offers because they think the other guy earned twenty times as much.
When they think of Hearn, they automatically associate him with DAZN spending money like drunken sailors.
And that saga had already ended long time ago. It wasn't as bad even when HBO, Fox, Showtime were still around.