Better resume wilder or Joyce

[daggum]

Wilder notable wins: ortiz, stiverne

Joyce notable wins: Dubois, parker

[JakeTheBoxer]

Joyce for sure. Not even close. And Parker won every round against Wilder.

[famicommander]

Wilder took a belt off a reigning world titlist. End of discussion.

[Quercusalba]

Joyce's wins over Parker and Dubois are very good wins and are aging even better. Gotta go Joyce on the strength of those two.

[daggum]

Wilder took a belt off a reigning world titlist. End of discussion.

Ah so if canelo beats the winner of scull-shiskin thats a better win than Benavidez since they are reigning champions. Arreola vs stiverne for a vacant belt doesn't make the winner a great fighter. Same applies for scull-shiskin

[famicommander]

Ah so if canelo beats the winner of scull-shiskin thats a better win than Benavidez since they are reigning champions. Arreola vs stiverne for a vacant belt doesn't make the winner a great fighter. Same applies for scull-shiskin

Stiverne was #2 at The Ring and #4 at TBRB when Wilder beat him. That's much, much higher than anybody Joyce beat.

[hugh grant]

Joyce's best wins are better

[billeau2]

Joyce got lucky because Parker and Dubois peeked late... Aside from that, the best fighter of the bunch was Ortiz and that counts for a lot. He was undefeated before facing Wilder with a very high KO Percentage.

The real answer to this is, If one only looks at these four fighters Joyce gets an edge, but on the strength of who both me lost to, and fought they have equal resumes. Even Dubois lost to a champion (Usyk) as Ortiz did.

You are a spin doctor and not a particularly good one. Your whole point rests upon Dubois beating Joshua... I am not even bringing up Stiverne here. According to people like you who take relative ratings and try to make them absolute, Faircommander has shown that Stiverne had gravitas in these rankings... Again, because Wilder absolutely dominated him the second fight, you would hold that against him, assuming that makes Stiverne less capable. Ful!!!

[daggum]

Stiverne was #2 at The Ring and #4 at TBRB when Wilder beat him. That's much, much higher than anybody Joyce beat.

Well Parker and Dubois are 2 and 3 right now so that should tell us something. and if you actually break down how stiverne got ranked that high its nonsensical. His best win was over Arreola who was ranked 9 and that gets stiverene to 2? On what planet? He got the "he has a belt" bump which is how you are overrating him as well.. Meanwhile Parker and Dubois both have 2 top 5 wins to get where they are now. Essentially what you are saying is beating Arreola is better than beating joshua or Zhang. Not reasonable

[billeau2]

Ah so if canelo beats the winner of scull-shiskin thats a better win than Benavidez since they are reigning champions. Arreola vs stiverne for a vacant belt doesn't make the winner a great fighter. Same applies for scull-shiskin

Funny how you make this point when it suits you, but you are always using rankings to substantiate quality when making a case for heavyweights you are deluded enough to think fought special competition. Ortiz on the strength of his competition, Ko percentage and record is probably closer to Dubois than it looks like... And BTW didn't Ortiz beat a champ? (Charles Martin), while Dubois is yet to do so? This is the usual kind of logic you use lol.