Dubois’s resume at age 27

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  • qad
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    Dubois’s resume at age 27

    Joyce
    Usyk
    Miller
    Hrgovic
    AJ

    Thats quite the resume at age 27. He really does take on all comers and has an exciting fighting style.

    Probably the most exciting fighter in the division right now after his win against AJ.
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    You know you have to actually beat the opponent to count it right? You can fight every top fighter in the world but if you lose it ain't worth much. He has great experience though and some strong wins but I hate how some people count losses to top fighters now.

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      Originally posted by Oracle01
      You know you have to actually beat the opponent to count it right? You can fight every top fighter in the world but if you lose it ain't worth much. He has great experience though and some strong wins but I hate how some people count losses to top fighters now.
      To me, a resume is different from ‘quality of wins’. A resume to me reflects the overall quality of opposition regardless of win/loss.

      Otherwise there would be no difference between a guy who lost to 5 C tier guys vs a guy who lost to 5 A tier guys.

      Chisora is a good example of this. He’s been in the ring with a lot of top fighters over the years and he’s lost to a lot of them. But he still shared the ring with them and that counts for something.

      Ofcourse I’m not suggesting that DDD beat Joyce or Usyk.

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      • Joseph
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        #4
        He's definitely in the right position to lead the new generation of HWs. Let's hope he takes it more seriously than Hearn's recently vanquished stooge.

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          #5
          Originally posted by qad
          Joyce
          Usyk
          Miller
          Hrgovic
          AJ

          Thats quite the resume at age 27. He really does take on all comers and has an exciting fighting style.

          Probably the most exciting fighter in the division right now after his win against AJ.
          The Joshua fight could’ve been a styles fight, but imo he has showed some improvement. I had counted him out until he got hit by Joshua cleaned, backed up and then countered Joshua smartly for the stoppage. His mind was working and he actually showed me something there the way he set Joshua up. Let’s see if he can carry this new found heart into his next fight.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Oracle01
            You know you have to actually beat the opponent to count it right? You can fight every top fighter in the world but if you lose it ain't worth much. He has great experience though and some strong wins but I hate how some people count losses to top fighters now.
            Fighting many top opponent win or lose means something. He’s either hanging around the top 10, winning and losing or winning the title. Most fighters drop after a loss. He gets the call for a fight and takes it. So his resume win or lose matters. And he’s only 27. Nobody’s counting his losses as anything but losses. He gets major credit for taking the top fights win or lose. Isn’t that what you want all fighters/champions to do!!!???
            Last edited by Raggamuffin; 09-23-2024, 08:57 PM.

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            • TheCell8
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              #7
              The Joyce fight took probably two years off his life. He took a savage beating there. He's very exciting to watch, but hard to imagine he lasts past 30 fighting like this.

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                #8
                Originally posted by Oracle01
                You know you have to actually beat the opponent to count it right? You can fight every top fighter in the world but if you lose it ain't worth much. He has great experience though and some strong wins but I hate how some people count losses to top fighters now.
                The Usyk "loss" is very controversial though. Many would argue that Dubois was robbed and deserved to win. Either way, a close "loss" against Usyk is far more impressive than wins against a bunch of bums.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by qad

                  To me, a resume is different from ‘quality of wins’. A resume to me reflects the overall quality of opposition regardless of win/loss.

                  Otherwise there would be no difference between a guy who lost to 5 C tier guys vs a guy who lost to 5 A tier guys.

                  Chisora is a good example of this. He’s been in the ring with a lot of top fighters over the years and he’s lost to a lot of them. But he still shared the ring with them and that counts for something.

                  Ofcourse I’m not suggesting that DDD beat Joyce or Usyk.
                  You don't get credit for losing. You could get in the ring with Tyson Fury and get wrecked, and that doesn't mean you get to put him on your resume.

                  You are saying that the low tier guys are on the same level resume wise as the top tier guys. By your metric, Victor Emilio Marquez (9-41) gets to have Canelo on his resume just the same as Floyd Mayweather because they both fought him. Resume is guys you've beaten, period.

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                  • qad
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                    Originally posted by crimsonfalcon07

                    You don't get credit for losing. You could get in the ring with Tyson Fury and get wrecked, and that doesn't mean you get to put him on your resume.

                    You are saying that the low tier guys are on the same level resume wise as the top tier guys. By your metric, Victor Emilio Marquez (9-41) gets to have Canelo on his resume just the same as Floyd Mayweather because they both fought him. Resume is guys you've beaten, period.
                    There is no standard definition of what a boxing resume is, period. If you have an official one, plz share. As adults, we can understand the context of the discussion and understand what the other person is intending to say. Anything else is semantics.

                    The context of this thread was clearly quality of opposition rather than quality of wins. No one in this thread credited Duboius for beating Usyk/Joyce.

                    On the other hand, as per your strict definition resume, if 2 boxers had exact same quality of wins but one had losses to way worse opposition, would they have the resume?​ If yes, how would you differentiate between the losses?

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