Rjj at smw - overrated?

[MONGOOSE66]

Are you saying that because you have Alzheimers and to take that into consideration?

Because honestly that would make sense, I thought you were just brain dead thick but instead you might have brain damage

You literally just said I changed the subject by bringing up Andre Ward when the entire conversation was in response to a point you made regarding Andre Ward

Get your own material. Not only do you not know boxing or how to look up boxing history and are WRONG often. Now your a copycat. Take out your teeth and call it a night. Your delusional.

[IronDanHamza]

Get your own material. Not only do you not know boxing or how to look up boxing history and are WRONG often. Now your a copycat. Take out your teeth and call it a night. Your delusional.

The correct usage of that word is "you're", you fucking moron You've used it incorrectly 3 times in a row there. Children don't even do that.

And that was a genuine question, regarding your potential brain damage. I wasn't sure if that was why you mentioned it because if you do genuinely have Alzheimer's disease then that would explain the idiotic nonsense you're coming out with and not even realizing the genesis of this entire conversation was in response to a point you made regarding Andre Ward, to which you then said I'm changing the subject by mentioning...Andre Ward

Just log off mate. You look incredibly stupid.

[MONGOOSE66]

The correct usage of that word is "you're", you fucking moron You've used it incorrectly 3 times in a row there. Children don't even do that.

And that was a genuine question, regarding your potential brain damage. I wasn't sure if that was why you mentioned it because if you do genuinely have Alzheimer's disease then that would explain the idiotic nonsense you're coming out with and not even realizing the genesis of this entire conversation was in response to a point you made regarding Andre Ward, to which you then said I'm changing the subject by mentioning...Andre Ward

Just log off mate. You look incredibly stupid.

Heres an opportunity to bring up more 30 year old fights that no one cares about.

[IronDanHamza]

Heres an opportunity to bring up more 30 year old fights that no one cares about.

The entire discussion revolves around that time frame you idiot

The thread itself is about a fighter who turned professional over 30 years ago dummy.

Take a break mate. You've dribbled too much for one day.

[MONGOOSE66]

The entire discussion revolves around that time frame you idiot

The thread itself is about a fighter who turned professional over 30 years ago dummy.

Take a break mate. You've dribbled too much for one day.

Bla bla bla. The menstrual flow and cramps must be horrendous.

[The D3vil]

Ok. So? The same logic you’re using there for Roy applies to the others.

Isn’t fhe excuse for getting totally schooled by Roy Jones that that he was at his best at MW? But yet that’s the same weight where he was beaten easily by Dave Tiberi and drew with Sanderline Williams, two unranked journeyman.

Then he moved up to LHW and was beaten easily by Drake Thadzi.

So why is it more impressive that Roy Jones did something that multiple journeymen did at supposedly weights where he was meant to be in better shape?

He was still undefeated & ranked top #3 in the world when he fought Roy.

He was nowhere near that 3 years later when he fought Thadzi.

The fight before that, he went all the way up to cruiser & and came back down to Thadzi.

That was a down period in his career after losing to Jones & Montell Griffin

He drew with Williams when he was a 1 1/2 into his career wayyyyyy back in 1990.

[IronDanHamza]

He was still undefeated & ranked top #3 in the world when he fought Roy.

He was nowhere near that 3 years later when he fought Thadzi.

The fight before that, he went all the way up to cruiser & and came back down to Thadzi.

That was a down period in his career after losing to Jones & Montell Griffin

He drew with Williams when he was a 1 1/2 into his career wayyyyyy back in 1990.

That's a splendid list of excuses for why Toney drew and lost to unranked journeyman multiple times. Funnily enough the exact same ones they use for why he was totally dominated by Roy Jones. The same excuses you're using there, can, and always are, used to excuse the same thing you are praising Roy for. How do you reconcile that?

What about getting easily beaten by Dave Tiberi just two years prior to losing to Jones? Why is what Roy did any more impressive than what Dave Tiberi did?

And he didn't "go all the way up to Crusier" the fight before that either, that's just overtly disingenuous and an intentionally out of context proclamation. He fought Mike McCallum, a former Jr MW, at 180 lbs, the fight before that he fought Griffin.

So let's not pile up the excuses and stick to the reality; He drew, and lost, to unranked journeyman, multiple times, in his prime years.

Roy's win is impressive, but beating a prime Toney isn't unique, unranked journeyman did it. And any of the plethora of excuses you pull out your hat for as to why, the exact same thing can be done for Roy's win over him, so, yeah.

[daggum]

he was no sven ottke

[The D3vil]

That's a splendid list of excuses for why Toney drew and lost to unranked journeyman multiple times. Funnily enough the exact same ones they use for why he was totally dominated by Roy Jones. The same excuses you're using there, can, and always are, used to excuse the same thing you are praising Roy for. How do you reconcile that?

What about getting easily beaten by Dave Tiberi just two years prior to losing to Jones? Why is what Roy did any more impressive than what Dave Tiberi did?

And he didn't "go all the way up to Crusier" the fight before that either, that's just overtly disingenuous and an intentionally out of context proclamation. He fought Mike McCallum, a former Jr MW, at 180 lbs, the fight before that he fought Griffin.

So let's not pile up the excuses and stick to the reality; He drew, and lost, to unranked journeyman, multiple times, in his prime years.

Roy's win is impressive, but beating a prime Toney isn't unique, unranked journeyman did it. And any of the plethora of excuses you pull out your hat for as to why, the exact same thing can be done for Roy's win over him, so, yeah.

Anytime you beat a p4p top #3 fighter in the world, it's a big deal.

Roberto Duran had lulls in his career where he'd lose to Kirkland Laing & get obliterated by Hearns

Then he'd beat a much bigger Moore & Barkley.

Some guys are like that.

Toney had an up & down career. There are legendary fighters who that has happened to.

[IronDanHamza]

Anytime you beat a p4p top #3 fighter in the world, it's a big deal.

Roberto Duran had lulls in his career where he'd lose to Kirkland Laing & get obliterated by Hearns

Then he'd beat a much bigger Moore & Barkley.

Some guys are like that.

Toney had an up & down career. There are legendary fighters who that has happened to.

Nah, not quite.

Both of those fights you've just listed for Duran were fights where he was well beyond his prime and in his 3rd official weight class but 7 above where he started his career, by today's standard.

James Toney drew, and was beaten easily by unranked journeyman, in his prime. So, nothing alike really.

Again, if you use that excuse then why was he not down for the Roy Jones fight? It's either one of the other. Dave Tiberi beat the same version of Toney that Roy Jones did. Some argue that a better version since 160 is meant to be his best weight class.

Beating Toney in his prime was an impressive win yes but not unique as previously stated, journeyman did it.