Comments Thread For: How good is Naoya Inoue?

[daggum]

Let me put it this way. A kid plays middle school basketball in a small town and he is a superstar. Sets records in scoring, best defensive player, just obviously above all the other kids. Taller, more athletic, stronger.

The kid goes to high school in the same small town and is the star of the team. But he isn't setting records anymore and his team isn't that great. But he still is obviously a great player.

The kid gets picked up by a Div 2 basketball team. Does well, scores alot. He gets an offer from a Div 1 team. He is now a good role player. Has a solid career.

He doesn't get drafted by the NBA but manages to walk on with a team. He is let go after a season and plays overseas for a few years.

What happened? At every level, his talent gave less returns because the guys he was going up against were getting better, stronger and he wasn't that special. It is special to even PLAY in the NBA or at Div 1 level....most never do.

In that scenario, Pac is equatable to Jordan, Floyd is similar to Lebron, IMO. Both guys went WAAAY beyond the norm and succeeded against the best of their era.

Inoue MIGHT do that. But at 31, I don't think so. If he was going to try and move up and fight bigger punchers and better fighters, he would have done it by now. But maybe he will? I'm all for it if he does.

and when did floyd succeed against the best of his era? it would be like innoue fighting roman right now. great win! estrada coming off a ko loss recently? great win! innoue succeeded lmao

[BoxWhere]

Oh, I thought Inoue had a broken orbital? Pac would have done ALOT worse. Probably would have been a Hatton like KO.

Nery knocked Inoue on his ass. What would Pac do?

You aren't even a casual dude. You are a fanboy who apparently created an account to defend your favorite fighter against anyone who speaks sense about him. Lol.

You sound all emotional. Are you 14?

Inoue is good. In this really week era. Fulton was considered a top guy, he has no power and in other eras is not good.

Yep you are 100% casual.

[Roadblock]

and when did floyd succeed against the best of his era? it would be like innoue fighting roman right now. great win! estrada coming off a ko loss recently? great win! innoue succeeded lmao

Who was better in his era?

[komandante]

Until he fights Casimero in a neutral ground outside of Japan

[daggum]

Who was better in his era?

between floyd and inoue? inoue because he doesnt duck the top guys and fought everyone he could in his era. floyd did not. floyd had a chance to make an all time great resume above inoues(so far) based on his star power and circumstances and he bottled it, if you want to say innoue doesnt have that chance therefore hes not great thats fair, but he hasnt ducked any of the top guys yet(mj pending) you can say he missed some fights like when roman Gonzalez turned him down or estrada but inoue had already left the division before estrada beat roman and rungvisai which really vaulted him to elite greatness, sometimes the timing just doesn't work out for fights, but floyd made sure it didnt work out and ended up with a resume of mostly old men because he wanted it that way(backstreet boys) inoues resume is already damn good and he didnt avoid anyone in the process, if you want to say floyds resume is damn good thats fair but its damn good while avoiding a lot of big threats in the process so inoue gets the edge because hes been as great without the asteriks

if you want to look at it statistically floyd beat 19 top 10 guys and inoue has beaten 15. but the most important aspect of a resume is quality and that takes more time and subjectivity to break down but simply basing a resume on big names of course gives floyd the edge, but most of them were well past it when he fought them, while inoues resume is full of more prime fighters that people just dont know as well given the lack of coverage of the smaller weight classes so that means inherently there are less big names to fight, but that doenst necessarily mean they werent as good as the guys floyd was fighting, i guess it depends what you give more weight to, a big name that is past it, or a prime fighter that maybe isnt as good or maybe is but people just dont know them as well.

either way both guys have a bunch of very good wins over top guys but neither guy has a true all time great win over a prime great opponent, think leonard over benitez, hearns and duran or pac over barrera and marquez, or morales over pac. can you be a true all time great without even 1 of those type of wins? maybe not. floyd at least had the chance with cotto and pac but he bottled it, inoue had the chance against roman but roman bottled it, thats the difference. maybe inoue will get one of those in the future to cement his status or maybe he will just be a really good fighter

[_Rexy_]

to answer this question we need junto - bam and the winner against naoya next year. junto/bam winner is the best possible realistic opponent for the rest of naoya's career. better ones are only teofimo, crawford, canelo, beterbiev/bivol winner and usyk/fury winner which are totally unrealistic. "how many hall of famers in their prime did he beat?" junto - bam winner is that guy.

Inoue has done way more than Junto has done. How is beating Junto "beating a hall of famer"??

[drablj]

Inoue has done way more than Junto has done. How is beating Junto "beating a hall of famer"??

bam is 1 great win away from the hof. if he beats junto, he's already in at 25. if bam lose against junto, he still has 5+ years to add enough to his resume. i am positive he gets in since he is great and close already.
if junto beats bam (top5 p4p, very possible hof), that huge win coupled with being 3 division champion and possible unification fights left and right for him (he's the favourite against anybody at 118) will get him in. in my opinion, of course. i don't vote.
currently nakatani and rodriguez haven't done enough but the winner is a lock in my opinion. consider that usyk and crawford will probably retire next year. that will make naoya p4p #1 and junto/bam winner #2 or #3 (beterbiev/bivol winner would be top3 also). a fight between naoya and the winner would then be phenomenal, career defining. obviously if junto just moves up for naoya after his next meaningless fight, it's not the same.

[BodyBagz]

Those lil guys, doe......
1 out of 100 will amount to anything

[Haka]

There are too many weight classes at the lower weights. Those titles don't mean anything.

[BoxWhere]

There are too many weight classes at the lower weights. Those titles don't mean anything.

Lol lowerweight guys are more skilled while higher weight guys have less skill and use their size.