Comments Thread For: British heavyweight title heads to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia - again

[DClefthook]

What numbers is Davis pulling? He had to use the Mexican monster Benavidez to help him with his PPV. It's not Al Haymon filling Arenas is CANELO.

You guys amuse me...doe. Sl Hsymon was the mastermind of like 5 of the top ten PPV boxing matches of all time involving multiple fighters.....but Tsnk can't sell hahsha...your girl Rihanna Garcia can't sell without a black opponent. That's what you need to be concerned with champ!

[DClefthook]

Turki is not only attrating Amaricans, he is attracting the whole world who enjoy boxing. British, Australian, Japan, and American.

Good then he should pack up and leave America and go to those other places then

[DClefthook]

As a red blooded American, spoiled for decades by a heavyweight division comprised of Americans from every region and background, peppered with an occasional Chuvalo, Bonavena, Bugner or Coetzee; I am downright envious of the flood of good big men comming out of the mother county this century. Lennox Lewis, Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, Frank Bruno, Daniel Dubois, Dillian Whyte, Joe Joyce, David Haye, Derrick Chisora, Fabio Wardley, Hughie Fury, Frazer Clarke, David Price, Herbie Hide, Danny Williams, Gary Mason, Audley Harrison, Sam Sixton(sp), Martin Rogan, Moses Itauma, Nathan Gorman, Matt Skelton, etc.
And they just keep coming.

I wish more big, athletic Americans would forgo their trade apprenticeship and give superstardome a shot!
At the moment, aside from Richard Torrez Jr and Sonny Conto, we've got Nothing!!!!

Gotta give it up for the British.

I'm gonna get a lil patriotic on you for a sec. None of those British HWs thar you mentioned could compare to any American HWs in the last 30yrs except for LenOX and Tyson Fury. The rest of them were just average compared to the Americans. But as for your desire for more US HWs...it's probably not happening anytime soon. Fully guaranteed NBA and MLB contracts and 100 million dollar signing bonuses in the NFL has killed the desire for the sweet science. 112-147 fighters will still thrive in America because they're to small for the big money sports. But athletes who are 154-175 6'0 tall or better are perfect sizes for point / shooting gaurds and NFL defensive secondary. 175-220 are NBA small/ power forwards and NFL wide receivers and linebacker. 220lbs and more are NBA centers and NFL lineman. If I had a son 7 years old I would steer him away from boxing and into football or basketball. Don't even get me started on baseball where those guys are signing 750 million dollar contracts. The most we can hope for are football and basketball rejects like Wilder and Jared Anderson but you see that only goes so far.

[boxingitis]

Good then he should pack up and leave America and go to those other places then

He is, doing an Event in London at Wembly Joshua vs Dubois. He is making another big fight for the world to see Beterbiev vs Bivol in Suadi and taking the American sleeper Shakur there as well.

[boxingitis]

You guys amuse me...doe. Sl Hsymon was the mastermind of like 5 of the top ten PPV boxing matches of all time involving multiple fighters.....but Tsnk can't sell hahsha...your girl Rihanna Garcia can't sell without a black opponent. That's what you need to be concerned with champ!

Teo vs Ryan can sell. But Tank needed Latino Ryan, Rollies, Pitbull, and Benavidez as co main to help him out.

[Oldskoolg]

What numbers is Davis pulling? He had to use the Mexican monster Benavidez to help him with his PPV. It's not Al Haymon filling Arenas is CANELO.

So I think this attempt at communication has come to a fork in the road….either you are not aware of how well Tank’s PPVs and attendance sells, which makes you unfit to take a stance or you know and you’re trying to intentionally be misleading…which makes you unfit to comment. I suspect you’re doing this out of racial discriminatory reasons which multiplies the sentiment of avoiding coms at this point. Hopefully one day you overcome how you were either raised or how you have adjusted to a life of needing to feel important by attempting to artificially reduce the accomplishments of another group in order to feel good about yourself. As the young folk say nowadays, “that’s not a good look.”

[boxingitis]

So I think this attempt at communication has come to a fork in the road….either you are not aware of how well Tank’s PPVs and attendance sells, which makes you unfit to take a stance or you know and you’re trying to intentionally be misleading…which makes you unfit to comment. I suspect you’re doing this out of racial discriminatory reasons which multiplies the sentiment of avoiding coms at this point. Hopefully one day you overcome how you were either raised or how you have adjusted to a life of needing to feel important by attempting to artificially reduce the accomplishments of another group in order to feel good about yourself. As the young folk say nowadays, “that’s not a good look.”

If he was that great he wouldn't need Benavidez as co-main event. He also needed Garcia for his previous PPV to be successful. There is not hate, just facts. Again you can't eve prove a single question of his Supposely great last PPV. I know the Garcia vs Tank did great, but Davis vs Martin, I have not seen anything.

According to Dan Rafael he only did 325 K and that was with Benavidez help.

1.2 Million with Garica
325 K even with Benavidez help, that clearly tell me is not big seller by himself.

[Willow The Wisp]

I'm gonna get a lil patriotic on you for a sec. None of those British HWs thar you mentioned could compare to any American HWs in the last 30yrs except for LenOX and Tyson Fury. The rest of them were just average compared to the Americans. But as for your desire for more US HWs...it's probably not happening anytime soon. Fully guaranteed NBA and MLB contracts and 100 million dollar signing bonuses in the NFL has killed the desire for the sweet science. 112-147 fighters will still thrive in America because they're to small for the big money sports. But athletes who are 154-175 6'0 tall or better are perfect sizes for point / shooting gaurds and NFL defensive secondary. 175-220 are NBA small/ power forwards and NFL wide receivers and linebacker. 220lbs and more are NBA centers and NFL lineman. If I had a son 7 years old I would steer him away from boxing and into football or basketball. Don't even get me started on baseball where those guys are signing 750 million dollar contracts. The most we can hope for are football and basketball rejects like Wilder and Jared Anderson but you see that only goes so far.

Here's the thing I'm driven to say back to that.
As schoolboy sports, Baseball, Football and Basketball cast a wide net over American youth to come into programs and learn how to play those games, as a part of their healthy body - healthy mind education.
But the number who actually end up with a career playing those games doesn't even put a small dent in the talent pool!

The in-season roster shows us exactly what those other sports pull away from the gene pool is:

MLB........949
NFL......1696
NBA.......560

Total....3,205

Let me tell you, that ain't a lot of talent impact on a country hosting 166 million males.

And, that's definately not what's drawing American men away from a pro boxing career getting punched in the face and risking Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy and a host of other injury related disabilities.

The real reason that we're not seeing young men here dreaming of being the next Marciano, Ali or Tyson, is the fact that we have more stable, recession resistant, good paying jobs here than we have people to fill them. It is in those jobs, and NOT other sports where you will find the American heavyweights who failed to answer the call.

Aside from all that, the relationship between playground athletes and being a natural fighter is tenuous at best.

Watch Michael Jordan play baseball, or better still, watch Ed "Too Tall" Jones, Mike Balogun, Le'Veon Bell, Alonzo Highsmith, Tex Hamer, Mark Gastineau, Kendall Gill, Tom Zbikowski, Craig Wolfley, Ed Williams, George Trafton, Adrian White, Howie Long, Jack Torrance, Al Spohrer, Roy Young, Jeremy Scruggs, Jevon Langford, George Linberger, Duke Slater, Ray Richards, Leif Larsen, Ted Reiter, Tom Payne, Jules Long, Tiny Powell, Earl Nolan, Sully Montgomery, Idaho Jimmy Ellis, Seth Mitchell, Fred Nesser and Roy Lumpkin try to fight on the pro level!

Great team sport athletes each one, but NOT the best material from which to build a great fighter.

In fact, Charlie Powell, famously KOd by Muhammad Ali, Floyd Patterson, Roy Harris and Mike DeJohn, was the only major leagues athlete who could ever fight a lick.

If we want American Heavyweight Boxers to return to the world stage, grab them in high scool, before the farms, the military, the oil rigs, the construction job sites or the lumber camps get em'.

In America, we work hard; hence that big ol' GDP.

[DClefthook]

Here's the thing I'm driven to say back to that.
As schoolboy sports, Baseball, Football and Basketball cast a wide net over American youth to come into programs and learn how to play those games, as a part of their healthy body - healthy mind education.
But the number who actually end up with a career playing those games doesn't even put a small dent in the talent pool!

The in-season roster shows us exactly what those other sports pull away from the gene pool is:

MLB........949
NFL......1696
NBA.......560

Total....3,205

Let me tell you, that ain't a lot of talent impact on a country hosting 166 million males.

And, that's definately not what's drawing American men away from a pro boxing career getting punched in the face and risking Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy and a host of other injury related disabilities.

The real reason that we're not seeing young men here dreaming of being the next Marciano, Ali or Tyson, is the fact that we have more stable, recession resistant, good paying jobs here than we have people to fill them. It is in those jobs, and NOT other sports where you will find the American heavyweights who failed to answer the call.

Aside from all that, the relationship between playground athletes and being a natural fighter is tenuous at best.

Watch Michael Jordan play baseball, or better still, watch Ed "Too Tall" Jones, Mike Balogun, Le'Veon Bell, Alonzo Highsmith, Tex Hamer, Mark Gastineau, Kendall Gill, Tom Zbikowski, Craig Wolfley, Ed Williams, George Trafton, Adrian White, Howie Long, Jack Torrance, Al Spohrer, Roy Young, Jeremy Scruggs, Jevon Langford, George Linberger, Duke Slater, Ray Richards, Leif Larsen, Ted Reiter, Tom Payne, Jules Long, Tiny Powell, Earl Nolan, Sully Montgomery, Idaho Jimmy Ellis, Seth Mitchell, Fred Nesser and Roy Lumpkin try to fight on the pro level!

Great team sport athletes each one, but NOT the best material from which to build a great fighter.

In fact, Charlie Powell, famously KOd by Muhammad Ali, Floyd Patterson, Roy Harris and Mike DeJohn, was the only major leagues athlete who could ever fight a lick.

If we want American Heavyweight Boxers to return to the world stage, grab them in high scool, before the farms, the military, the oil rigs, the construction job sites or the lumber camps get em'.

In America, we work hard; hence that big ol' GDP.

Well said my friend!!!

[Daniel Skillman]

Looks like a whole lot of boxing fans are starting to understand why capitalism ruins everything.