Stop Comparing Bud And Floyd. Bud Isn’t Even Greater Than Tim Bradley

[TintaBoricua]

The Spence fight was never a 50/50 fight and I'm a Spence fan too. I'm going to tell you why outside of the car accident. Lack of discipline outside the ring and draining to make 147. I made a thread before their fight highlighting how Errol said making 147 has been rough for a while. Errol became a heavy drinker outside of the ring for whatever reason, and that took so much away from him. Now, I'm not saying Bud wouldn't have still won but the fact is that the car accident did take a toll on him as well. It was a combination of things but even without the accident, those other 2 factors had him fighting a losing battle against a disciplined gym rate with generational skills. Look at him vs Kell Brook then look at him vs Danny. I was telling my friends that the commentary is trying to paint a picture that's not true. He didn't look the same. But Bud did what he was supposed to do and it was one of the best performances I ever saw.

We will have to agree to disagree because I think the level of competition Bradley beat shows he would destroy anybody on Bud's resume and the same can't be said for Bud. I also think Bradley's opponents are levels above the competition. Bud has never beaten a Marquez and definitely not a Pacquiao. I rate Bradley beating Devon higher than any fight on Bud's resume other than Spence.

Gamboa went to 50 cent because at the time him and Floyd had the TMT thing which was supposed to be what PBC is basically but Fif and Floyd fell out so Gamboa was just sitting there with somebody who had 0 promoter experience. And yes it does suck because Gamboa was special

You’re entitled to taking the Spence win with a grain of salt if you legitimately pointed out all those things beforehand. I go back and forth personally on whether Spence is enormously wilted at this stage. Bud just had one of those performances that make you go, “That fighter on THAT NIGHT would’ve beaten anybody at welterweight.” The jab, the haymaker counters, and countering WHILE GETTING HIT FLUSH and scoring a knockdown all make me believe that yes, even a healthy Spence would’ve gotten smoked. I personally always thought Spence was a tad robotic and hittable for someone as versatile as Crawford, the car accident and his partying hard might have hindered him further…still a good fighter, though.

Do you think you’d rate the Spence win higher if Spence comes back and has a second wind in his career?

Second, do you honestly think the Devon Alexander win is better than anything Crawford’s done?

I was ecstatic as all get go when Bradley became unified but the hype surrounding it was mostly because HBO was pushing to create Devon as THE next guy.

The fight barely sold, the fight wasn’t all it was cracked up to be, and Devon didn’t go on to accomplish much if I’m not mistaken.

His best win/moments in his career were the knockout over Urango and maybe being the only guy who was able to beat Marcos Maidana unscathed (it was a monotonous hit and hold affair). He sort of became a stepping stone and quietly faded into obscurity.

It’s a good win for Bradley (for unifying titles), but I don’t know if him beating Devon Alexander specifically supersedes Crawford’s win over Shawn Porter/Spence.

EDIT: Wow. I just looked up box rec and Alexander really didn’t do much post Bradley loss. He sc****d by Lucas Matthysse but he’s taken 5 losses in a row since 2018 starting off Andre Berto.

If you want to say Bradley has a better win than Crawford by using Marquez, go for it. But let’s not magnify Devon’s stature as a big bad monster.
Also, I had the Marquez-Bradley fight a draw. Neither fighter took control of that fight. It’s a win, but to say it’s better than anything Crawford’s done unequivocally, it’s kind of like…

*Robert Deniro hand gestures*

”Nah nah nah…you insulted. You insulted him a little bit.”

lol

[The D3vil]

just because he was don't mean he's deserving. Many people get credit for things they're not worthy of. What killers he fought?

What killers outside of Bud was there to fight at 147???

He beat Porter, Garcia, went to England to beat Brook (who had only lost to a much bigger GGG), Ugas, who ended Pac's career, and OUTBOXED Mikey Garcia, who was a top 5-10 fighter in the world.

[hugh grant]

What killers outside of Bud was there to fight at 147???

He beat Porter, Garcia, went to England to beat Brook (who had only lost to a much bigger GGG), Ugas, who ended Pac's career, and OUTBOXED Mikey Garcia, who was a top 5-10 fighter in the world.

Spence almost proved he was no1 WW, but he was not pfp no5. Unless WW was a particularly strong division, which wasn't the case. Plus spence made hard work of beating them. Why is inoue beating his opponents in his 4th weight class easier than spence does in his 1st weight class?

[crimsonfalcon07]

I never thought Spence was worthy of his P4P acclaim. I questioned it before the fight many times, and IMO his P4P claim was primarily because welterweight gets bonus points from Western boxing writers, and that's thanks to previous eras. That being said, Bud dismantling Spence with the ease he did in way he did was P4P stuff. I think unless Madrimov gets screwed by promoters that that win will age well also. If he'd been able to fight more frequently (and who knows how much was by choice), he'd likely have stamped his ticket to a truly ATG career instead of these debates.

[jqSide]

Not a big fan of any of these guys you're crucifying or defending. But you need to stop making excuses for Spence, the car crash, weight issues, etc. Fact is he didn't make any effort to make the fight early or prior to these issues you're speaking of. He was talking about all these "wrong side of the street" things. He was fine making weight back then. The delay was his own doing, not anybody else. And for all fighters out there it should be a lesson to be learned. Stop dragging a fight you know you would have a problem making weight someday. Make the fight early. Or never take the fight.

[The D3vil]

Spence almost proved he was no1 WW, but he was not pfp no5. Unless WW was a particularly strong division, which wasn't the case. Plus spence made hard work of beating them. Why is inoue beating his opponents in his 4th weight class easier than spence does in his 1st weight class?

Spence literally blanked Mikey, outboxed the guy who was considered the better boxer.

And you may not have saw him as a top P4P fighter, but every credible ranking in the world DID

[wrecksracer]

Bradley vs Provodnikov was a great fight, but given the amount of times the ropes held Bradley up, I think that win was a gift. Provodnikov was a pretty limited fighter. I'd have to take Crawford to beat Bradley.

[Roadblock]

Not a big fan of any of these guys you're crucifying or defending. But you need to stop making excuses for Spence, the car crash, weight issues, etc. Fact is he didn't make any effort to make the fight early or prior to these issues you're speaking of. He was talking about all these "wrong side of the street" things. He was fine making weight back then. The delay was his own doing, not anybody else. And for all fighters out there it should be a lesson to be learned. Stop dragging a fight you know you would have a problem making weight someday. Make the fight early. Or never take the fight.

They not excuses for losing he cant beat bud at anytime, people are just stating the factual course of events how does that become an excuse, it wasnt the best Spence that TC beat but he would have beat any version anyway.

[Sheldon312]

They not excuses for losing he cant beat bud at anytime, people are just stating the factual course of events how does that become an excuse, it wasnt the best Spence that TC beat but he would have beat any version anyway.

This I am unsure of. If anything, it would be a trilogy with Crawford maybe winning the war.

[Roadblock]

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This I am unsure of. If anything, it would be a trilogy with Crawford maybe winning the war.

I wouldn't bet on it either but my gut feeling says that's the way it would pan out but we are all just guessing.