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  • #11
    Errol is not a counter puncher, this is why Bud was able to chip away at him all night with a power jab.

    Power jabs are risky shots in that you're essentially walking in to your opponent and can possibly be countered with double the impact, Bud didn't have to worry about this at all with Spence

    Take into consideration Spence's limited head movement, Bud couldn't miss.

    Describing Errol as a "basic style fighter" is slightly inaccurate, as it is more so the fact he was a weight bully

    Errol was so much bigger than most of the welters he faced that he didn't have to adapt much or add to his repertoire, he would just bulldoze his way in while absorbing shots easily.

    Once the weight-cut started effecting him, and add the life-altering car accident he was in, he stood no chance against Bud.

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    • #12
      Always thought Crawford would win but it almost wasn't fair by the time it finally happened. Spence didn't look right and his reaction time looked off. Maybe Crawford's quickness just made him look like that but I honestly thought there was something wrong with Spence. His reaction time was that of a 43 year old not a 34 year old.
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      • #13
        Originally posted by Sheldon312 View Post
        I'm going to save the whole, "styles make fights" argument which has been used quite a bit when it comes to this matchup. I don't necessarily think Spence did anything wrong I am of the impression, based on the evidence and previous matches from both, that Spence was greatly compromised for that fight for a few reasons:
        1. Compare Spence's ring walk and previous weight cuts to his previous matches. Spence was glassy-eyed, much skinnier than usual, jab didn't have the same snap, and even though he was never the fastest fighter, his balance was way off, and timing was not where it usually is.
        2. Crawford has never looked that dominant against any opponent. A one-legged Benavidez, and out of prime Porter, and Jeff Horn did much better against Crawford than Spence who is a level or two above the above fighters. The "styles make fights argument" is thrown out when you take in consideration that fighters with similar styles to Spence( Ava, Horn, and Porter) did much better against Crawford.
        3. Crawford has been hurt by lesser punchers and Crawford admitted that Spence did not hurt him, not even a bit which is strange since many fighters have spoke highly of Spence's power.
        4. The car accident took a significant toll on Spence and he has never been the same fighter since.
        Note: I'm not saying Crawford wouldn't have won. I am just saying that was not the Errol Spence we have grown accustomed to seeing. We will see where he is at at 154 but I personally think Spence's best days may be behind him due to the accident and his lifestyle. I do not expect Crawford to go through Tszyu, Fundora, Ennis, or Virgil undefeated. Those fighters are just head and shoulders above the "version" of Spence that Crawford fought.
        Yep, Spence was off not just in the fight, but even in the weigh-in you could tell this was not the same Spence.

        He was talking about "they can make a movie about my life", bro you are about to fight a killer and this is all you can think of??

        Even during the episodes leading up to the fight, there was a training session he couldn't complete.

        The weight-cut and reckless lifestyle outside of the ring obviously took its toll on the guy.

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        • #14
          Originally posted by Sheldon312 View Post
          I'm going to save the whole, "styles make fights" argument which has been used quite a bit when it comes to this matchup. I don't necessarily think Spence did anything wrong I am of the impression, based on the evidence and previous matches from both, that Spence was greatly compromised for that fight for a few reasons:
          1. Compare Spence's ring walk and previous weight cuts to his previous matches. Spence was glassy-eyed, much skinnier than usual, jab didn't have the same snap, and even though he was never the fastest fighter, his balance was way off, and timing was not where it usually is.
          2. Crawford has never looked that dominant against any opponent. A one-legged Benavidez, and out of prime Porter, and Jeff Horn did much better against Crawford than Spence who is a level or two above the above fighters. The "styles make fights argument" is thrown out when you take in consideration that fighters with similar styles to Spence( Ava, Horn, and Porter) did much better against Crawford.
          3. Crawford has been hurt by lesser punchers and Crawford admitted that Spence did not hurt him, not even a bit which is strange since many fighters have spoke highly of Spence's power.
          4. The car accident took a significant toll on Spence and he has never been the same fighter since.
          Note: I'm not saying Crawford wouldn't have won. I am just saying that was not the Errol Spence we have grown accustomed to seeing. We will see where he is at at 154 but I personally think Spence's best days may be behind him due to the accident and his lifestyle. I do not expect Crawford to go through Tszyu, Fundora, Ennis, or Virgil undefeated. Those fighters are just head and shoulders above the "version" of Spence that Crawford fought.
          All of those guys fought as orthodox, different positioning and angles, yes all that **** matters inside the ring. Add guys like, Mean Machine, Kell Brook to the lis as well, the common strategy they all used was they weren’t in a rush to be overly aggressive against Crawford early on.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Carpe Diem View Post

            All of those guys fought as orthodox, different positioning and angles, yes all that **** matters inside the ring. Add guys like, Mean Machine, Kell Brook to the lis as well, the common strategy they all used was they weren’t in a rush to be overly aggressive against Crawford early on.
            So.... you're saying that Spence that fought Crawford didn't look completely off compared to previous bouts? Yeah, you're delusional

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            • #16
              Originally posted by Sheldon312 View Post

              So.... you're saying that Spence that fought Crawford didn't look completely off compared to previous bouts? Yeah, you're delusional
              Iām not saying that. Yeah, he looked drowsy when walked into the arena, but nevertheless, no excuses. Crawford showed up and handled his business. Spence fought the same overly aggressive way he always does except that he was in there mostly against orthodox boxers in his previous bouts, Crawford was his first southpaw opponent since Chris van Heerden.
              Last edited by Carpe Diem; 07-18-2024, 01:44 PM.

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Carpe Diem View Post

                Iām not saying that. Yeah, he looked drowsy when walked into the area, but nevertheless, no excuses. Crawford showed up and handled his business. Spence fought the same overly aggressive way he always does except that he was in there mostly against orthodox boxers in his previous bouts, Crawford was his first southpaw opponent since Chris van Heerden.
                It's not an excuse it's using context. For example, tito gets more credit for beating Oscar because Oscar was prime compared to when Fliyd fought him

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