Comments Thread For: Paulie Malignaggi's Picks: Shakur Stevenson showed he's best at 135 pounds and that it's time for rivals to step up

[Poopdick]

From the very first post I quoted. You were giving another poster the business for saying that Shakur ain't all that because he beat Martin's leftovers. You said that Martin was just a prospect, which really SHOULD reinforce Kev's point, but you said "wtf kid." I pointed out that Martin is more of a contender than a prospect. You then tried to backpedal and talk about how Martin was an underdog, and I pointed out the fact that Artem had not only lost to Martin, but that he was an even steeper underdog.

Now you're in here lying about how you weren't taking sides. You absolutely were. You were saying that Tank v Martin was a mismatch in response to another poster saying that Shakur beating a guy that lost to Martin doesn't make Shakur #1 in the division.

Revisionism doesn't change what you said. Crawl back into the little hole from whence you got your handle, and just stop. Tank fights poor competition, and Shakur's competition is even worse. Which, as Kev said, and you criticized him for saying, does not in any way prove Shakur to be the best in the division. To quote you again, "WTF kid."

they all prospects. and yes yes yes I will always speak to when I see some tank blow robbers act like he a killer. when in fact he a 30 year old prospect/email champion and hasn't fought top guys. and loses rds to literally dedrater ppl. can't stand the new fan boys saying things like that. gives fans and fighters reason to duck real guys. tank may be goods. but I doubt it because they have always kept him from top guys. Shakur may shine against real guys, but again he been protected. and he something like 25 years old. so yes yes yes wtf kid. fans need to put things in perspective. or some silly new fans may jump on band wagon and keep the excuse machine going. when in fact we are on the precipice of a change in boxing where Saudi may be changing the game and making real guys fight real guys. and win lose or draw, put the ones we wanna see right back in in a few months.

[Poopdick]

From the very first post I quoted. You were giving another poster the business for saying that Shakur ain't all that because he beat Martin's leftovers. You said that Martin was just a prospect, which really SHOULD reinforce Kev's point, but you said "wtf kid." I pointed out that Martin is more of a contender than a prospect. You then tried to backpedal and talk about how Martin was an underdog, and I pointed out the fact that Artem had not only lost to Martin, but that he was an even steeper underdog.

Now you're in here lying about how you weren't taking sides. You absolutely were. You were saying that Tank v Martin was a mismatch in response to another poster saying that Shakur beating a guy that lost to Martin doesn't make Shakur #1 in the division.

Revisionism doesn't change what you said. Crawl back into the little hole from whence you got your handle, and just stop. Tank fights poor competition, and Shakur's competition is even worse. Which, as Kev said, and you criticized him for saying, does not in any way prove Shakur to be the best in the division. To quote you again, "WTF kid."

and no Shakur beating a prospect ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT make him #1 guy.

[The D3vil]

You don't think Malinaggi fought better competition? And that this may be why his bell was wrung more? Hopefully we will see... I do think Shakur is talented, just not elite. I could be wrong on that... I hope we can see him fight up against better competition.

He's fought who's been willing to fight him.

You see Loma ran in the other direction from him.

Loma don't run from non-elite fighters.

Tank could've fought him when he first moved up.

He ran in the opposite direction.

Devin & Teo moved up without fighting him.

They could've fought him.

Non-elite fighters don't have a hard time finding dance partners, word to Rocky Fielding & Amir Khan.

[elfag]

Shakur proved he is better than Loma and Tank by decisioning Artem Harutyunyan?

are you ***ing kidding me paulie?


paulie just likes Shakur because hes almost as feather fisted as he was.

[Bronx2245]

Its not a question of me being bothered or not. Before I assume something I want to look for logical reasons why it might be so... You actlike Shakur being a talented fighter, and being avoided, is some strange phenomena... It is the norm in boxing right now. Fighters a lot better than Shakur, like Boots Ennis have to watch their best years slip by. Of course it bothers me, I just do not see Shakur as any special case for this process.

I also do not think all the things you call a duck from Shakur are such... A fighter like Loma and Cruz are not really duckers... and might have other reasons for not taking the fight. But you ay be correct, certainly, for a pressure fighter like Cruz this would be a good scrap. Maybe he does not want to deal with that style of fight, I doubt it, but could be...

I like your comparison to Boots! Everyone says if Shakur had KO power, he’d be a star! Boots has KO power, and STILL can’t get fights, because he had problems with promoters! That bothers me even more!

[billeau2]

I like your comparison to Boots! Everyone says if Shakur had KO power, he’d be a star! Boots has KO power, and STILL can’t get fights, because he had problems with promoters! That bothers me even more!

Boxing has to change... the present model is unsustainable. An analogy would be: The team with the best record in baseball gets to choose who they play for one of the pennants, meanwhile, the other teams all develop their own leagues and pennants until teams all are champions.

There is no incentive for fighters to fight the best. Again, analogy would be... Can you remember how many losses the yankee team of 1924 had? Does anyone care? or think it diminishes them? Fighters and this goose egg crap are ridiculous. matais lost one fight and one would think he dropped off the earth! Promoters totally encourage this crap, they make these fights events that depend on people spending gobs of cash on fighters they have not been able to see fight...

Fighters have to take power back and shame each other into thinking about legacy. Talented fighters are wasting away...

[billeau2]

He's fought who's been willing to fight him.

You see Loma ran in the other direction from him.

Loma don't run from non-elite fighters.

Tank could've fought him when he first moved up.

He ran in the opposite direction.

Devin & Teo moved up without fighting him.

They could've fought him.

Non-elite fighters don't have a hard time finding dance partners, word to Rocky Fielding & Amir Khan.

Bronx2245 brought up a similar point... It is the state of boxing. Nobody fights Nobody (New York double negative lol). Things have to change.

[Smash]

I like your comparison to Boots! Everyone says if Shakur had KO power, he’d be a star! Boots has KO power, and STILL can’t get fights, because he had problems with promoters! That bothers me even more!

i havnt followed boots that closely, could he have not tried to force a mando shot at crawford sometime in the past?

[Superbee]

Tank / Loma before Loma turns 50 FGS ... It's cooking time !

[Smash]

did tank & loma not just have stoppage wins over higher ranked guys