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  • #21
    Sugar Ray Leonard did not avoid Aaron Pryor. That's an old myth.

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    • #22
      how can someone be destined for greatness and have avoided all the hardest fights his entire career lol

      this guy is brain damaged i think

      hes a great ducker ill give him that alrite

      he cant turn back the clock and make the fights he should have made if he wanted to, all it is is silly excuses as usual with this stuff

      its exactly why boxing is not delivering what it should do a lot of the time then fights happen too late and are almost worthless at times as one guy has declined so much the other guy jumps on that and then wants the fight, its mad stuff really
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      • #23
        Originally posted by archiemoore1 View Post

        Depends which Margarito and Paul Williams you're talking about. Floyd wouldn't fight either one of them at all, let alone when they were in their prime. But if he were to hypothetically take either one on, I feel like it would be after they got their brains knocked out by other people first. Floyd wasn't just a great boxer, he had spies in guys camps. He knew when they were ready to be taken, when they had legal or family issues, when they were out partying, had weight issues, he'd even send women to certain guys. Like Corrales. He was just a shell of his best self when he fought Floyd. Floyd was still a great fighter. He just didn't fight everyone available. He says he fought 23 champs, but Emmanuel Augustus was probably a more worthy opponent than most of the so-called champs he fought
        Agree about Williams, A nightmare for any fighter... But Margarito? To me this is one of those opinions that gets thrown around without a lot of empathy... And I mean literally, putting oneself in Floyd's position. If I am challenging for legacy I fight Williams... But Margarito? the guy had decent pressure skills, nothing special, was going to **** up anybody he fought, win or lose, was not very good if he could not pressure you. Any elite puncher always had the goods on margarito in a fair fight... This was demonstrated. So why would Floyd get into a bruising fight with an average pressure fighter, of whom it could be said, he wore down decent fighters through attrition and never really FAIRLY beat a marque level fighter? What is the payoff? Aside from injuries and people saying I told you so?

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        • #24
          Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

          Agree about Williams, A nightmare for any fighter... But Margarito? To me this is one of those opinions that gets thrown around without a lot of empathy... And I mean literally, putting oneself in Floyd's position. If I am challenging for legacy I fight Williams... But Margarito? the guy had decent pressure skills, nothing special, was going to **** up anybody he fought, win or lose, was not very good if he could not pressure you. Any elite puncher always had the goods on margarito in a fair fight... This was demonstrated. So why would Floyd get into a bruising fight with an average pressure fighter, of whom it could be said, he wore down decent fighters through attrition and never really FAIRLY beat a marque level fighter? What is the payoff? Aside from injuries and people saying I told you so?
          The question is when was he going to fight Williams, the only window was around 07 prior to this Floyd was basically still a LW, where Williams was saying he had weight issues and went to 154 and Floyds sights were set on Oscar while fighting basically LWs as he was still working into WW, William was out of 147 after 2 fights one loss with Quintana, Floyds was a LW building into WW , there is a video of Williams saying the fight wasn't there at the time.

          The whole Williams deal is the same as Margarito, because Floyd didn't fight those two the haters use their common hate formula, if Floyd beat them both the haters would be saying that B graders Quintana beat Williams and Margarito had 3 losses, Mayweather didn't really hit the big time until the Oscar fight another former LW, Margo was hitting 154 in 99 while Floyd was fighting at 130, at the time it was not feasible. I agree fully Margarito would have been made to look like a sloth just as Manny and Mosley made him look and Floyd beat both of them, the Floyd that beat Canelo beats Williams the version a year out of LW may have had a tough fight with a 6'1 guy that could fight at MW, might also be a Corrales type fight we will never know.
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          • #25
            Stop it, Paul. You've once said you would bet your house on Haney against Gervonta. Now you jumped on the Gervonta train? How can a fighter who avoided all the tough fights in his entire career and who's biggest win is weight drained Ryan Garcia be destined for greatness?

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            • #26
              Originally posted by DFM View Post
              Stop it, Paul. You've once said you would bet your house on Haney against Gervonta. Now you jumped on the Gervonta train? How can a fighter who avoided all the tough fights in his entire career and who's biggest win is weight drained Ryan Garcia be destined for greatness?
              Gee if Davis fights 3 really big name guys and wins that's how easy he can become great, its that fickle with fans it really only takes a couple of the right fights to do it, I think his opponents have been his management not him.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

                The question is when was he going to fight Williams, the only window was around 07 prior to this Floyd was basically still a LW, where Williams was saying he had weight issues and went to 154 and Floyds sights were set on Oscar while fighting basically LWs as he was still working into WW, William was out of 147 after 2 fights one loss with Quintana, Floyds was a LW building into WW , there is a video of Williams saying the fight wasn't there at the time.

                The whole Williams deal is the same as Margarito, because Floyd didn't fight those two the haters use their common hate formula, if Floyd beat them both the haters would be saying that B graders Quintana beat Williams and Margarito had 3 losses, Mayweather didn't really hit the big time until the Oscar fight another former LW, Margo was hitting 154 in 99 while Floyd was fighting at 130, at the time it was not feasible. I agree fully Margarito would have been made to look like a sloth just as Manny and Mosley made him look and Floyd beat both of them, the Floyd that beat Canelo beats Williams the version a year out of LW may have had a tough fight with a 6'1 guy that could fight at MW, might also be a Corrales type fight we will never know.
                I guess so, I did not consider the logistics for either fight, just the payoff. I do not doubt there are logistics that make the fights difficult, impossible to make. I just think that Williams is a much better scalp that Margarito. I say this just from reason, not from a common list of opponents: Margarito was an average pressure, big strong guy for the weight that could use these advantages to beat "good" fighters like Kermit Cintron, Clottey... Though he did manage to beat Martinez lol. Williams was a nightmare with his reach and would have been a good fight for any welter at that time. Williams also beat better comp than Margarito... at least more consistently because he got Winky Wright! Though again, not basing my analysis on the competition each guy faced.
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by pnut901 View Post
                  Sugar Ray Leonard did not avoid Aaron Pryor. That's an old myth.
                  Aaron pryor sparred Leonard knocked him down. Leonard admitted this on camera. Now a proud guy like Leonard would definitely want some get back wouldn't he? But he didn't wanna give Pryor a chance to style on him in a real fight. Offered him like $500,000. That's corny. He knew what time it was. It was Hawk Time.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by archiemoore1 View Post

                    Aaron pryor sparred Leonard knocked him down. Leonard admitted this on camera. Now a proud guy like Leonard would definitely want some get back wouldn't he? But he didn't wanna give Pryor a chance to style on him in a real fight. Offered him like $500,000. That's corny. He knew what time it was. It was Hawk Time.
                    I doubt Leonard would think like I wanna get him back for a spar, these men are craftsmen working and fine-tuning their craft, I don't believe they think the macho stuff fans think they think, they are elite athletes that carry a competitive nature, not a vindictive one and they respect others in the game, this is why fans are always throwing the scared card, they not scared at that level, they are managed by smart people and they calculate everything, they not gladiators fighting to the death its a sport, where they at its playing chess while trying to appease machoism which is the main aspect in followers of the sport.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Roadblock View Post

                      I doubt Leonard would think like I wanna get him back for a spar, these men are craftsmen working and fine-tuning their craft, I don't believe they think the macho stuff fans think they think, they are elite athletes that carry a competitive nature, not a vindictive one and they respect others in the game, this is why fans are always throwing the scared card, they not scared at that level, they are managed by smart people and they calculate everything, they not gladiators fighting to the death its a sport, where they at its playing chess while trying to appease machoism which is the main aspect in followers of the sport.
                      You say fighters don't have pride and egos and are all strategic? I'd say the fighters who carefully pick and choose who they fight, fit in your category of strategic. And Leonard was picking and choosing around Pryor. Leonard was very strategic. Some guys don't give a damn who they fight, and some want u as soon as you call them out. Pryor called Leonard out but Leonard didn't answer that call. Pryor should've slapped him when he crashed his press conference. Then we probably would've seen that fight happen

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