Those of you who are old enough to have watched Roy Jones Jr in his prime, just how good was he?

[TMLT87]

At his best he might have been the hardest guy ever p4p to beat. In a sport thats had plenty of great athletes he was the cream of the crop, ridiculous speed and power. Obviously it goes without saying that as he aged and his athleticism slipped a bit he started paying for a lot of the unconventional stuff he used to be able to get away with.

[hugh grant]

When RJJ was around no-one else mattered. Beat toney and hopkins so that speaks volumes

[garfios]

in his prime, he was something to behold. He could beat anyone around his weight from any era.

[billeau2]

canelo in his prime against floyd? wat? he barely beat trout in his previous fight and floyd didnt even fight him at 154. 2 154 pound champions fighting at 152 what the hell is that? ggg beat a prime roided canelo. floyd beat a zombie and thats why floyd is floyd

Doesn't matter... Still a much better fight than Pacquiao. You can't expect fighters to align when it comes to matchmaking. If they fought before they were shop worn it means something. Otherwise as I've told you so many times, and you still refuse to understand... You can virtually qualify any victory or defeat and explain it away. And that's what you guys do for the most part by the way.

When we talk about for example, the Oakland A's winning three championships in a row does anybody mention that the other team lost their best hitter or picture? I don't know if they did daggum... I do know in the St Louis versus Kansas City world series Steve balboni who hit less than 200 on average on the series for Kansas City do we need to qualify that world series victory? Grow up...

I'm using baseball as an example. You'll see the same thing in any sport. You'll even see the same thing when fighters fought more regularly which is the best solution for this problem...

[Brother Mouzone]

Check the P4P rankings during his prime……RJJ was literally untouchable in the ring..

[elfag]

I didnt start to watch until 1999. So pre ruiz and pre tarver but not his peak prime.


larry merchant still ragged on him lol. there wasnt many guys at 175 that were hyped they were basically so far below him it was so easy for him. I remember this light skinned guy with dreads was super afraid to engage with Roy.

If you want to know what it looked like imagine Usyk fought a guy his sized and way out of his level, so say a number 20 ranked cruiserweight who came up to heavyweight to face Usyk and imagine how easily Usyk would school him cruising in first gear. That is what it looked like for Roy. Way outmatched his opponents and throw in some showboating with it.

[elfag]

Also if you want to talk ruiz and tarver, the start of his decline, Ruiz was a genius match making that guy was the WORST hugger of all time, makes devin haney look like an amateur. So give him a guy with extreme mobility like Roy and he boxed his ears off.

Tarver I was very competitive and alot of people thought tarver won the fight. I havent seen it in ages so dont have a breakdown how tarver looked good. Tarver II a lot of people were trying to discredit the KO as a lucky punch saying Tarvers eyes were closed throwing it but to even land that you have to remember he got in range and threw a bomb a lot of people in Roys prime spent the fight out outside of range letting roy control the distance.

[daggum]

Doesn't matter... Still a much better fight than Pacquiao. You can't expect fighters to align when it comes to matchmaking. If they fought before they were shop worn it means something. Otherwise as I've told you so many times, and you still refuse to understand... You can virtually qualify any victory or defeat and explain it away. And that's what you guys do for the most part by the way.

When we talk about for example, the Oakland A's winning three championships in a row does anybody mention that the other team lost their best hitter or picture? I don't know if they did daggum... I do know in the St Louis versus Kansas City world series Steve balboni who hit less than 200 on average on the series for Kansas City do we need to qualify that world series victory? Grow up...

I'm using baseball as an example. You'll see the same thing in any sport. You'll even see the same thing when fighters fought more regularly which is the best solution for this problem...

you cant expect 2 154 pound champions to fight at 152. you are literally ignoring very important aspects of fights because it makes floyd look bad. this is not nitpicking and its not random luck like your baseball analogy. floyd put his thumb on the scale to affect the outcome of the sport. a better baseball analogy would be forcing your opponent to play with whiffle ball bats like floyd did with maidanas pillow gloves. is that just good luck? random chance? no and no. its using power to put your thumb on the scale and affect the outcome in your favor.

i've literally never seen a unification fight take place at a catchweight because one of the fighters was such a coward they didnt want to fight at the real weight limit. it would have been a very good win but he tarnished it by rigging things in his favor. respect is earned not given and what he did was garbage. if it wasnt very imporatnt as im sure you will claim then why did he do it...cause it was. canelo was a huge 154 pounder already struggling to make weight and already showing a very limited gas tank fighting at 154. look at the way he fought ggg in the second fight, then look at the way he sauntered around like a zombie against floyd. thats why i said he wasnt prime which maybe it wasnt true, maybe he was just completely drained. happy?

[SUBZER0ED]

As others have stated, Roy's tremendous athleticism, speed, ring savvy and power made him formidable. However, once his athleticism diminished, so did his reflexes and ability to avoid big shots.

[billeau2]

you cant expect 2 154 pound champions to fight at 152. you are literally ignoring very important aspects of fights because it makes floyd look bad. this is not nitpicking and its not random luck like your baseball analogy. floyd put his thumb on the scale to affect the outcome of the sport. a better baseball analogy would be forcing your opponent to play with whiffle ball bats like floyd did with maidanas pillow gloves. is that just good luck? random chance? no and no. its using power to put your thumb on the scale and affect the outcome in your favor.

i've literally never seen a unification fight take place at a catchweight because one of the fighters was such a coward they didnt want to fight at the real weight limit. it would have been a very good win but he tarnished it by rigging things in his favor. respect is earned not given and what he did was garbage. if it wasnt very imporatnt as im sure you will claim then why did he do it...cause it was. canelo was a huge 154 pounder already struggling to make weight and already showing a very limited gas tank fighting at 154. look at the way he fought ggg in the second fight, then look at the way he sauntered around like a zombie against floyd. thats why i said he wasnt prime which maybe it wasnt true, maybe he was just completely drained. happy?

Im not ignoring it. Fighters use catch weights this way all the time. I don't agree with it but on average Floyd is no more an abuser than others. What about how Tank made Ryan a skeleton? And what about other shenanigans involving weight? Like Haney coming in as a beast over weight? Its part of the sport Daggum! It makes boxing look bad for sure. Catch weights have their place... Sometimes we need a hybrid division... OK. Like super middle weight for example. But the abuse of these weights is chronically part of the sport and fighters agree to it when they should not.

And finally 152 conmpared to 154 really? Not a big difference... Haney comes into fights some 20 pounds over weight doesn't he? Thats a difference... Tank fought Santa Cruz who fought divisions below... thats a difference... And your bitchin about 2 pounds?