Did Deontay Wilder have elite ATG power or was his power overrated?

[hugh grant]

Maybe it's just easier to ko bums? The most likely explanation

Yes, maybe he could still go on a 40 ko win streak against the stivernes of this world even in his late 30s.

[Mic_Rob]

We know of him because he had a high powered promoter and a network backing him. We know of him because they wanted us to know him. He's basically an industry plant. He had the connections to get him an easy title shot and the connections with haymon and the pbc to keep matching him soft in his title defenses. He overstepped against fury and that was that.

I agree with a lot of that to a certain extent, but he also medaled in the Olympics with the flawed toolset he was working with. I don't think he was ever an elite fighter but he had undeniable twitch power that I think is hard to argue wouldn't measure up over history. I'm not saying he's good enough to land it on great fighters- but if the question is who hits the punch arcade machine hardest all time- Wilder belongs in a top tier list for that (most likely).

[Stab Master Arson]

Hugely overrated power. Remember, there are morons calling him the hardest puncher ever. lol

[daggum]

I agree with a lot of that to a certain extent, but he also medaled in the Olympics with the flawed toolset he was working with. I don't think he was ever an elite fighter but he had undeniable twitch power that I think is hard to argue wouldn't measure up over history. I'm not saying he's good enough to land it on great fighters- but if the question is who hits the punch arcade machine hardest all time- Wilder belongs in a top tier list for that (most likely).

well he only had to win 2 rounds to win a bronze and the thing about the olympics is that back then there were qualifying zones so each zone had to have a certain number of fighters from it, no matter what. the 2 guys he fought were from the worst qualification zone, a guy form morocco and a guy from Algeria, both unheralded amateurs. wilder himself was in an easy qualification zone and squeeked through vs Deivi Julio (Colombia) 6:5, Jorge Quinones (Ecuador) +9:9, and Rafael Lima (Brazil) 6:5. whenever wilder went up against the better amateurs like evegny romanov, osmay acosta, clemente russo he was easily beaten so he just got an easy draw in every respect, then when he turned pro he kind of created his own "easy draw" by fighting guys that werent very good, then when time came to fight the better guys he flopped.

[MikeyMike100]

yeah obviously...



ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight


ali-50% 18 out of 36
louis-75% 24 out of 32
liston-63% 7 out of 11
patterson-35% 7 out of 20
foreman-58% 7 out of 12
frazier-38% 5 out of 13
holmes-52% 12 out of 23
marciano-80% 8 out of 10
bowe-60% 3 out of 5
lewis-53% 8 out of 15
fury-43% 3 out of 7
vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8
wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13
joshua-50% 5 out of 10
tyson-53% 8 out of 15
holyfield-30% 6 out of 20
wilder-25% 2 out of 8

That doesnt show his power. That shows his overall fighting ability. He dropped Fury 4 times in 2 fights and never landed cleanly on Parker or Zhang.

[Pac=Duran]

Yes, maybe he could still go on a 40 ko win streak against the stivernes of this world even in his late 30s.

Remember when he was dancing and twerking in the ring vs Stiverne?

damn his team really got him pumped up way beyond the point of realism. I guess all the yes men around him were a by product of the sham that was employed to pump up his ego far beyond where it should have been.

if the yes-men left maybe his belief in his low tier abilities would have deflated.

[daggum]

That doesnt show his power. That shows his overall fighting ability. He dropped Fury 4 times in 2 fights and never landed cleanly on Parker or Zhang.

Fury was dropped by ngannou, usyk, Steve Cunningham, etc...so many huge punchers! Seems like we have some goal post movers here. He went from biggest puncher ever to ok he sucks and couldn't land his punches but if he did land he has the most raw power in pounds per square inch. Obviously you can never prove this claim which Is what you want. I can prove his ability to knockout fighters goes dramatically down when his competition is raised. Power in boxing isn't based on who can hit the hardest on one of those arcade punch machines. You can see the stats. He's not there with others

[MikeyMike100]

Fury was dropped by ngannou, usyk, Steve Cunningham, etc...so many huge punchers! Seems like we have some goal post movers here. He went from biggest puncher ever to ok he sucks and couldn't land his punches but if he did land he has the most raw power in pounds per square inch. Obviously you can never prove this claim which Is what you want. I can prove his ability to knockout fighters goes dramatically down when his competition is raised. Power in boxing isn't based on who can hit the hardest on one of those arcade punch machines. You can see the stats. He's not there with others

Wilder had Fury out cold for a few seconds those others were flash knockdowns. Obviously Wilders Ko percentage vs top fighters is low because his actual record vs top fighters is low. That doesnt show a lack of power. That shows a lack of boxing ability.

Vitali Klitshko has a high ko rate vs top 10 fighters. Its not because hes a huge puncher but because hes an accumulation puncher.

Obviously no sane person would argue that Vitali Klitschko had more power than Deontay Wilder.

[daggum]

Wilder had Fury out cold for a few seconds those others were flash knockdowns. Obviously Wilders Ko percentage vs top fighters is low because his actual record vs top fighters is low. That doesnt show a lack of power. That shows a lack of boxing ability.

Vitali Klitshko has a high ko rate vs top 10 fighters. Its not because hes a huge puncher but because hes an accumulation puncher.

Obviously no sane person would argue that Vitali Klitschko had more power than Deontay Wilder.

like i said goalpost moving. if you cant ko your opponent you dont have elite level power in boxing. "oh he just didnt land the right punch!" really reaching. power is measured by ability to ko good opponents, not pounds per square inch of force. you cant even measure that which is why you keep makign that argument. you have no defense for why his power wasnt there against the better fighters besides oh he didnt land the right punch, which is not even true as you just said, he knocked down fury. did it stop fury? nope. fury came right back and rocked widler 5 seocnds later, if anything usyk has more power because fury was wobbling around the ring for 30 seconds out on his feet. anecdotal evidence. if you look at the total data he isnt a big puncher because he cant knockout good fighters, you can make up any reason as to why. im sure there was a guy with more power than wilder who scored 0 ko's because he couldnt land "the right punches" but no one cares about him because he s-ucked. people only care about wilder because they were sold a bill of goods and they cant come to terms with the fact they were duped

[MikeyMike100]

like i said goalpost moving. if you cant ko your opponent you dont have elite level power in boxing. "oh he just didnt land the right punch!" really reaching. power is measured by ability to ko good opponents, not pounds per square inch of force. you cant even measure that which is why you keep makign that argument. you have no defense for why his power wasnt there against the better fighters besides oh he didnt land the right punch, which is not even true as you just said, he knocked down fury. did it stop fury? nope. fury came right back and rocked widler 5 seocnds later, if anything usyk has more power because fury was wobbling around the ring for 30 seconds out on his feet. anecdotal evidence. if you look at the total data he isnt a big puncher because he cant knockout good fighters, you can make up any reason as to why. im sure there was a guy with more power than wilder who scored 0 ko's because he couldnt land "the right punches" but no one cares about him because he s-ucked. people only care about wilder because they were sold a bill of goods and they cant come to terms with the fact they were duped

Power doesnt always equal Koing people. Its like saying George Foreman showed a lack of power vs Tommy Morrison. No he showed a lack of speed and boxing ability.

Wilder is clearly a monster puncher.