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Who do you rank higher? Evander Holyfield or Oleksandr Usyk. SERIOUS DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO BE HAD.

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  • #81
    Originally posted by Pac=Duran View Post

    Usyk was almost 40 when he whooped Fury. Imagine what he would do to Holyfield in his prime (like he was at 32 when he lost to bum Michael Moorer- one of his 10 losses)

    Evander has 10 losses including many to low tier heavyweights. Usyk has zero losses.
    Usyk was 37 fighting a 35 year old Fury, who'd just almost been knocked out by a 38 year old Francis Ngannou, who'd never had a boxing match before.

    Holyfield was in the arguably best era EVER for HWs the early '90s and was without question top 2 of the bunch with Lennox Lewis.

    Usyk's in one of the worst eras ever for HWs. Big difference.

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    • #82
      Originally posted by kafkod View Post

      Bowe was 29 years old when he fought Golota.

      Do you actually know anything about him .. apart from his name and the fact that he is a black American HW who fought in the 1990s?

      Is that all you need to know to rate him higher than Fury and Usyk?

      Usyk, btw, beat the 2 best heavyweights of his era in his mid - late 30s.
      Idiot, i watched both Bowe/Golota fights LIVE when they happened.

      I don't care how old he was, he wasn't in his prime.

      Prime is when you perform you best, he was past that by '95/'96.

      He was at his best in '92-'93

      Wilfred Benitez was at his best at 21, so was Mike Tyson

      Bernard Hopkins was at his best in his late 30s/early 40s.

      Different fighters peak at different times.

      Bowe peaked early due to his lifestyle, just like Tyson & Benitez.

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      • #83
        Holyfield and Usyk are neck and neck. Holyfield fought in the second greatest era in HW boxing. Usyk fought in a skillfully weak era. Usyk would hold his own in the 90s but i don’t see him beating holyfield.

        I have holyfield above usyk but it’s just a seed difference.

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        • #84
          Originally posted by JimRaynor View Post


          Styles make fights, and these were introductory heavyweight bouts for Usyk. I'm one of Holyfields biggest fans, but even he had his own troubles with lesser fighters, notably Bert Cooper who dropped him and Ray Mercer. Many times fighters will look incredible against tough opponents and much worse against lesser opposition.
          I agree, Lennox arguably lost to Ray Mercer, but Larry Holmes at 42 definitively beat him.

          Styles make fights, but I was using that as an example that Usyk hasn't just blown everybody away at HW.

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          • #85
            Originally posted by The D3vil View Post

            Usyk was 37 fighting a 35 year old Fury, who'd just almost been knocked out by a 38 year old Francis Ngannou, who'd never had a boxing match before.

            Holyfield was in the arguably best era EVER for HWs the early '90s and was without question top 2 of the bunch with Lennox Lewis.

            Usyk's in one of the worst eras ever for HWs. Big difference.
            Holyfield beaten by Moorer lol

            10 losses, known HGH abuser, zero good cruisers in his undisputed run. Best win is Bowe, who beat who exactly?

            Evander vs Lennox is exactly how holy would perform against super heavies of this era.

            Usyk is an underrated legend of the sport. Evander is a decent, albiet undersized overrated 1 eared steroid abusing, middle of the pack ATG heavy. Usyk is on the pantheon.

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            • #86
              Originally posted by JimRaynor View Post

              In comparison to the elite heavyweights in the 90’s yeah he was. Don’t get me wrong, I loved Ray Mercers toughness and grit, but the best W on his resume is Tommy Morrison. Aside from that he lost to every top tier heavyweight of that era including an old Larry Holmes, a 18-9 Ferguson and scored a draw against the 7-9 Marion Wilson.
              I agree that Mercer was not able to beat the top-tier champions, but he was by no means a slouch.

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              • #87
                Originally posted by Pac=Duran View Post

                Holyfield beaten by Moorer lol

                10 losses, known HGH abuser, zero good cruisers in his undisputed run. Best win is Bowe, who beat who exactly?

                Evander vs Lennox is exactly how holy would perform against super heavies of this era.

                Usyk is an underrated legend of the sport. Evander is a decent, albiet undersized overrated 1 eared steroid abusing, middle of the pack ATG heavy. Usyk is on the pantheon.
                Dude, Qawi's in the HOF, FFS

                Do your damn research

                And Lennox is way better than Fury, Usyk, Wilder, & Joshua, why would a past his prime Holyfield's performance against him say anything about how he'd do against the fighters of today?

                And Michael Moorer was one of the best fighters of the' 80s & '90s, who defended the LHW belt 10x & was 3x HW champion. How is that embarassing

                Plus, Holyfield was found to have heart problems after the Moorer fight & had to retire, immediately

                You've yet to tell me why the '90-'93 version if Holyfield would lose to any of these clowns,

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