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  • If Salvador Sanchez had lived, would he had surpassed Julio Cesar Chavez Sr?

    Salvador "Sal" Sánchez Narváez (January 26, 1959 August 12, 1982) was a Mexican professional boxer born in the town of Santiago Tianguistenco, Estado de México. Sanchez was the WBC and The Ring featherweight champion from 1980 to 1982. Many of his contemporaries as well as boxing writers believe that had it not been for his premature death, Sánchez could have gone on to become the greatest featherweight boxer of all time. Sánchez died on August 12, 1982, in a car accident while driving from Querétaro to San Luis Potosí. At age 23, he had amassed a record of 44 wins, 1 loss, 1 draw and 32 wins by the way of knockout. With a record 44 wins, 1 loss and 32 wins by the way of knockout.




    Julio Cesar Chavez Sr, who competed from 1980 to 2005. A multiple-time world champion in three weight divisions, Chávez was listed by The Ring magazine as the world's best boxer, pound for pound, from 1990 to 1993. During his career he held the WBC super featherweight title from 1984 to 1987, the WBA and WBC lightweight titles between 1987 and 1989, the WBC light welterweight title twice between 1989 and 1996, and the IBF light welterweight title from 1990 to 1991. Chávez holds records for the most total successful defenses of world titles (27, shared with Omar Narváez), most title fight victories and fighters beaten for the title (both at 31), and most title fights (37); he has the second most title defenses won by knockout (21, after Joe Louis with 23). His fight record was 89 wins, 0 losses, and 1 draw before his first professional loss to Frankie Randall in 1994, before which he had an 87-fight win streak until his draw with Pernell Whitaker in 1993. Chávez's 1993 win over Greg Haugen at the Estadio Azteca set the record for the largest attendance for an outdoor boxing match: 136,274. He is ranked as the 17th best boxer of all time, pound for pound, by BoxRec, #24 on ESPN's list of "50 Greatest Boxers of All Time", and 18th on The Ring's "80 Best Fighters of the Last 80 Years". In 2010 he was inducted into the International Boxing Hall of Fame for the Class of 2011.

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    Last edited by Malvado; 06-04-2024, 02:18 AM.

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    A brilliant fighter its a shame his career was cut short, his war with Danny Lopez was epic, on the flip side a young Azumah Nelson with only 12 fights under his belt gave him all he can handle until he succumbed in the 15th, who knows how far he could have gone if he wasn't killed.



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    • #3
      I think he was a better fighter. Fought in such a nice rhythm. I love watching fighters like that, Roman Gonzalez is another example.
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      • #4
        I'm pretty sure most people rate him higher already, don't they?

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        • #5
          he was literally unbeatable at featherweight, present and past.

          as great as he already was, he to me is still mexicos biggest what if in terms of how far he could have gotten had he lived.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by The D3vil View Post
            I'm pretty sure most people rate him higher already, don't they?
            Not sure if that's true, personally I don't rate Sanchez above Chavez Sr accomplishment wise. Even performance wise while he is more skilled, a out-boxer with illusive masterful footwork and counter punching. Don't think Chavez is really lagging behind in anything as a in-fighter. In his prime it was difficult to catch him off guard with active waist/head movement and static high guard (unless his opponent is a athletic phenom, even then he had a ridiculouly durable chin).



            He also broke down his opposition quite quicker with his punching power and work rate in three divisions.



            Aware what Sanchez accomplished in such a short career and young age is quite impressive. Nor that a loss at any point blemishes what he had done after nor affects it negatively in comparison to a longer streak of wins without losses.

            Just think in this case, Quantity over Quality. Don't know how far he go if there wasn't the accident, but nonetheless don't think he has done more.

            Overall Julio Cesar Chavez Sr beat more champions:

            Joey Gamache (45-2) Age 30
            Rafael Limon (51-14-2) Age 34
            Tony Lopez (45-4-1) Age 31
            Roger Mayweather X2 (21-2) at Age 24 and 28
            Rocky Lockridge (38-4) Age 27
            Juan Laporte (27-6) Age 27
            Edwin Rosario (31-2) Age 24
            Jose Luis Ramirez (101-6) Age 29
            Meldrick Taylor (24-0-1) (32-3-1) X2 at Age 23 and 28
            Lonnie Smith (28-3-1) Age 28
            Hector Camacho (40-1) Age 30
            Greg Haugen (32-4) Age 32
            Frankie Randall (49-2-1)(58-14-1) X2 at Age 32 and 43.

            The only fighters out of their prime listed is Rafael Limon, Frankie Randall in the third bout and Meldrick Taylor in the rematch.

            Top Ranked Contenders:

            Mario Martinez (33-1-2) Age 19
            Ruben Castillo (60-4-2) Age 27
            Rodolfo Aguilar (20-0-1) Age 24
            Francisco Tomas Da Cruz (27-1) Age 26
            Kenny Vice (26-3) Age 28
            Kyung-Duk Ahn (29-1) Age 23
            John Duplessis (36-1) Age 24
            Angel Hernandez (37-0-2) Age 31
            Frankie Mitchell (29-1) Age 33
            Terrence Ali (52-7-2) Age 32
            Andy Holligan (21-0) Age 26
            Giovanni Parisi (29-1) Age 27
            David Kamau (26-0) Age 31
            Scott Walker (21-3-1) Age 26
            Marty Jakubowski (37-0) Age 23
            Ken Sigurani (22-1) Age 25

            ​Has a record of 2-3-1 (1 KO) against International Boxing Hall of Fame inductees: Won against Edwin Rosario and Hector Camacho. He lost De La Hoya X2 and Kostya Tszyu. With a draw to Pernell Whitaker.

            Salvador Sanchez beat champions like:

            Danny Lopez X2 (42-3) (42-4) Age 28
            Juan Laporte (44-1) Age 21
            Wilfredo Gomez (32-0-1) Age 25
            Azumah Nelson (13-0) Age 24

            Top Ranked Contenders:
            Ruben Castillo (44-1) Age 22
            Pat Cowdell (19-2) Age 29
            Patrick Ford (16-0) Age 25
            Roberto Castanon (42-1) Age ?
            Jorge Rocky Garcia (23-2) Age ?
            Nicky Perez (49-3) Age ?
            Hector Cortez (23-3-2) Age?

            (Sorry, the contenders's birth date isn't mentioned in BoxRec)

            He went 4–0, all by knockout, against fellow members of the International Boxing Hall of Fame (Danny Lopez twice-KO 13, KO 14-Wilfredo Gomez-KO 8-and Azumah Nelson-KO 15) and defeated four future or former world champions (Lopez, Gomez, LaPorte and Nelson).

            So of the listed, Chavez has beaten 13 champions (2 Hall of Famers) and Sanchez has beaten 4 champions (3 Hall of Famers, One of them being beaten twice). Chavez also beat 16 top ranked contenders aiming for the title while Sanchez had surprisingly beaten 7 despite his short career. Still less than half.
            Last edited by Malvado; 06-04-2024, 11:25 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The D3vil View Post
              I'm pretty sure most people rate him higher already, don't they?
              I'd say almost no one does.

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              • #8
                On a pure skills level he was absolutely better than JCC.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Feroz View Post

                  Not sure if that's true, personally I don't rate Sanchez above Chavez Sr accomplishment wise. Even performance wise while he is more skilled, a out-boxer with illusive masterful footwork and counter punching. Don't think Chavez is really lagging behind in anything as a in-fighter. In his prime it was difficult to catch him off guard with active waist/head movement and static high guard (unless his opponent is a athletic phenom, even then he had a ridiculouly durable chin).



                  He also broke down his opposition quite quicker with his punching power and work rate in three divisions.



                  Aware what Sanchez accomplished in such a short career and young age is quite impressive. Nor that a loss at any point blemishes what he had done after nor affects it negatively in comparison to a longer streak of wins without losses.

                  Just think in this case, Quantity over Quality. Don't know how far he go if there wasn't the accident, but nonetheless don't think he has done more.

                  Overall Julio Cesar Chavez Sr beat more champions:

                  Joey Gamache (45-2) Age 30
                  Rafael Limon (51-14-2) Age 34
                  Tony Lopez (45-4-1) Age 31
                  Roger Mayweather X2 (21-2) at Age 24 and 28
                  Rocky Lockridge (38-4) Age 27
                  Juan Laporte (27-6) Age 27
                  Edwin Rosario (31-2) Age 24
                  Jose Luis Ramirez (101-6) Age 29
                  Meldrick Taylor (24-0-1) (32-3-1) X2 at Age 23 and 28
                  Lonnie Smith (28-3-1) Age 28
                  Hector Camacho (40-1) Age 30
                  Greg Haugen (32-4) Age 32
                  Frankie Randall (49-2-1)(58-14-1) X2 at Age 32 and 43.

                  The only fighters out of their prime listed is Rafael Limon, Frankie Randall in the third bout and Meldrick Taylor in the rematch.

                  Top Ranked Contenders:

                  Mario Martinez (33-1-2) Age 19
                  Ruben Castillo (60-4-2) Age 27
                  Rodolfo Aguilar (20-0-1) Age 24
                  Francisco Tomas Da Cruz (27-1) Age 26
                  Kenny Vice (26-3) Age 28
                  Kyung-Duk Ahn (29-1) Age 23
                  John Duplessis (36-1) Age 24
                  Angel Hernandez (37-0-2) Age 31
                  Frankie Mitchell (29-1) Age 33
                  Terrence Ali (52-7-2) Age 32
                  Andy Holligan (21-0) Age 26
                  Giovanni Parisi (29-1) Age 27
                  David Kamau (26-0) Age 31
                  Scott Walker (21-3-1) Age 26
                  Marty Jakubowski (37-0) Age 23
                  Ken Sigurani (22-1) Age 25

                  ​Has a record of 2-3-1 (1 KO) against International Boxing Hall of Fame inductees: Won against Edwin Rosario and Hector Camacho. He lost De La Hoya X2 and Kostya Tszyu. With a draw to Pernell Whitaker.

                  Salvador Sanchez beat champions like:

                  Danny Lopez X2 (42-3) (42-4) Age 28
                  Juan Laporte (44-1) Age 21
                  Wilfredo Gomez (32-0-1) Age 25
                  Azumah Nelson (13-0) Age 24

                  Top Ranked Contenders:
                  Ruben Castillo (44-1) Age 22
                  Pat Cowdell (19-2) Age 29
                  Patrick Ford (16-0) Age 25
                  Roberto Castanon (42-1) Age ?
                  Jorge Rocky Garcia (23-2) Age ?
                  Nicky Perez (49-3) Age ?
                  Hector Cortez (23-3-2) Age?

                  (Sorry, the contenders's birth date isn't mentioned in BoxRec)

                  He went 4–0, all by knockout, against fellow members of the International Boxing Hall of Fame (Danny Lopez twice-KO 13, KO 14-Wilfredo Gomez-KO 8-and Azumah Nelson-KO 15) and defeated four future or former world champions (Lopez, Gomez, LaPorte and Nelson).

                  So of the listed, Chavez has beaten 13 champions (2 Hall of Famers) and Sanchez has beaten 4 champions (3 Hall of Famers, One of them being beaten twice). Chavez also beat 16 top ranked contenders aiming for the title while Sanchez had surprisingly beaten 7 despite his short career. Still less than half.
                  Well obviously Chavez accomplished more, he fought like 120 times in comparison to Sanchez' 45

                  He also fought until he was like 45 while Sanchez died at 23, but I think most people I've seen tend to think Sanchez was a better fighter.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post

                    I'd say almost no one does.
                    You don't know anybody who thinks Salvador Sanchez is the best Mexican fighter?

                    I seriously doubt that.

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