Boxing has been almost completely been taken away from the USA since Floyd left.

[Pac=Duran]

Saudis have almost totally taken over now.

Everyone is wising up to the fact that American fighters are mostly frauds protected by American judges/refs/media and high powered promoters like Haymon, who is now almost completely sidelined.

The PBC people kept their fighters on the shelf and never let them fight anyone decent for a decade and now the Saudis and British promoters have eaten the U.S.As lunch.

Too much frauding has gone on for too long.

It's over for the USA

[famicommander]

Terence Crawford is a fraud now? Bam Rodriguez? Teofimo Lopez?

Shakur Stevenson, Jermell Charlo, Gervonta Davis, O'Shaquie Foster, Lamont Roach, Sebastian Fundora, Jaron Ennis, Devin Haney, Brandon Figueroa, Stephen Fulton, Errol Spence, Ryan Garcia, Eljiah Garcia, Jesus Ramos, Brian Mendoza, Erickson Lubin, Mario Barrios, Brian Norman, Charles Conwell, Jose Ramirez, Regis Prograis, (any) Gary Russell, Arnold Barboza, Vergil Ortiz, Frank Martin, Keyshawn Davis, Jared Anderson, Raymond Ford?

Sure, some of those guys are frauds. But all of them? C'mon.

[Pac=Duran]

Terence Crawford is a fraud now? Bam Rodriguez? Teofimo Lopez?

Shakur Stevenson, Jermell Charlo, Gervonta Davis, O'Shaquie Foster, Lamont Roach, Sebastian Fundora, Jaron Ennis, Devin Haney, Brandon Figueroa, Stephen Fulton, Errol Spence, Ryan Garcia, Eljiah Garcia, Jesus Ramos, Brian Mendoza, Erickson Lubin, Mario Barrios, Brian Norman, Charles Conwell, Jose Ramirez, Regis Prograis, (any) Gary Russell, Arnold Barboza, Vergil Ortiz, Frank Martin, Keyshawn Davis, Jared Anderson, Raymond Ford?

Sure, some of those guys are frauds. But all of them? C'mon.

No Terrence is absolutely not a fraud. Nor Teofimo.

It's just american fighters exhibit fraud behaviour way more than normal because they have the money behind them and they think they can get away with far more (used to have the money behind them, probably not for long)

Weigh bullying, rehydration clauses, not allowing opponents to use a certain type of glove, never fighting away from home, always benefiting from US refs judges and media, roiding through TUEs etc etc. The list is endless.

you listed some outright frauds there BTW.

Gervonta- he's refused to fight a single top contender in his weight class lmao and then he's been putting rehydration clauses on all his opponents- FRAUD

Haney- he's been fighting endless bums for ages while masquerading as the next Floyd, and then we find out he's been essentially fighting as a middleweight at 130lbs- entering the ring at 160 lmao. How embarrassing that he can't crack an egg while outweighing his opponent by 30 pounds.

Jaron and Shakur? They have fought nobody yet and they're acting as though they're stars already. They are NOBODIES unless they beat quality fighters.

That's the way it used to be but American starlets act like they're P4P greats already due to the media blowing smoke up their asses constantly

[Atypicalbrit]

Floyd milked the game in the US for all it was worth and fans got sick of it. He ushered in the age of it being all about the "0" which lead to the death of fighters taking risks.

Saudi is bringing it back because they are putting up enough money and offering 2nd and 3rd chances that the fighters taking part aren't as terrified of taking an "L" and the sport is better for it.

[Pac=Duran]

Floyd milked the game in the US for all it was worth and fans got sick of it. He ushered in the age of it being all about the "0" which lead to the death of fighters taking risks.

Saudi is bringing it back because they are putting up enough money and offering 2nd and 3rd chances that the fighters taking part aren't as terrified of taking an "L" and the sport is better for it.

Yes I hope memories of this ****ty undefeated record protecting era die quickly. There is NOTHING wrong with taking a loss. No fighter should retire undefeated.