Comments Thread For: Bill Haney Calls for Ryan Garcia to Be Hit With Lifetime Ban From Boxing

[Smash]

Supplements are, in the States, very poorly regulated. They have found all kinds of "stuff" in them.

They could use these guys, every batch tested they say

https://sport.wetestyoutrust.com/

or

USADA currently recognizes NSF Certified for SportŪ as the program best suited for athletes to reduce the risk from supplements.

[billeau2]

Yep, precisely. That's the massive problem we have and why it's just essentially a get out of jail free card for anyone who fails a drug test. Contamination is an issue, so it's a built in excuse for anyone who does pop.

Unless you are incredibly careless and outright foolish like Jarrel Miller but he's in the 1%, the overwhelming majority fail with trace amounts.

There is no excuse for having a PED in your system. I say this all the time and I say it to every tested person I work with, don't buy over the counter supplements. The risk drastically outweighs the reward. If you don't, you won't pop for anything, simple.

Supplements are, in the States, very poorly regulated. They have found all kinds of "stuff" in them.

[IronDanHamza]

the slightly funny thing about billy hoes thing is that

"Under World Anti-Doping Agency and UK Anti-Doping rules, oxilofrine is only banned in competition, meaning a fighter is only in breach of rules if the substance is detected in his system on the day of the fight"

now i dont know what that really means, if the drug is less serious and some allowances are made in some places but its a bit weird 2 different rule sets, not sure if it played any part in his issues tho

on another note, alexander povetkin was busted for ostarine in 2016

Amir Khan also popped for Ostarine.

[Smash]

Apparently DHEA supplements can cause false positives for Deca/nadrolone according to one of the youtube PED wizards. So I guess that got cleared.

Ostarine is very mild, its also orally taken and anyone could spike a drink with it. The whole thing is dumb because all these guys use PEDs. Look at Billie Joe Saunders talking trash about Canelo saying he should be banned for life and then he gets popped for a nasal decongestant which was considered a PED, taste of his own medicine on that one then of course he had all his excuses after saying anyone who fails a test should be banned for life.

the slightly funny thing about billy hoes thing is that

"Under World Anti-Doping Agency and UK Anti-Doping rules, oxilofrine is only banned in competition, meaning a fighter is only in breach of rules if the substance is detected in his system on the day of the fight"

now i dont know what that really means, if the drug is less serious and some allowances are made in some places but its a bit weird 2 different rule sets, not sure if it played any part in his issues tho

on another note, alexander povetkin was busted for ostarine in 2016

[IronDanHamza]

If there is no way to truly know HOW (it gets into the system) then anyone can claim it was an accident. They really have no choice but to assume if it is in your system you are responsible. There might be exceptional circumstances but they should be very exceptional lol.

Yep, precisely. That's the massive problem we have and why it's just essentially a get out of jail free card for anyone who fails a drug test. Contamination is an issue, so it's a built in excuse for anyone who does pop.

Unless you are incredibly careless and outright foolish like Jarrel Miller but he's in the 1%, the overwhelming majority fail with trace amounts.

There is no excuse for having a PED in your system. I say this all the time and I say it to every tested person I work with, don't buy over the counter supplements. The risk drastically outweighs the reward. If you don't, you won't pop for anything, simple.

[elfag]

Because the drug he was cleared for was Nandrolone, which is a 19-Nortestosterone, meaning it's derivative of testosterone. When used to enhance performance unnaturally is it synthetically made. But, because it's a derivative of testosterone I.e endogenously produced, the body can produce it naturally. So when Ryan flagged for it, they had to take it to further testing to see if it was naturally produced or synthetically taken and they concluded that it wasn't synthetically taken, thus he was cleared for that. I have my opinions on that, not sure I all the way agree with that conclusion but it's yet another case of being impossible to truly conclude.

Ostarine however, is a selective androgen receptor modulator also known as a "SARM" which are not produced naturally in your body and can only enter it by being ingested. Whether that be intentionally, or unintentionally, both are more than possible. And that's what they're trying to figure out now.

Apparently DHEA supplements can cause false positives for Deca/nadrolone according to one of the youtube PED wizards. So I guess that got cleared.

Ostarine is very mild, its also orally taken and anyone could spike a drink with it. The whole thing is dumb because all these guys use PEDs. Look at Billie Joe Saunders talking trash about Canelo saying he should be banned for life and then he gets popped for a nasal decongestant which was considered a PED, taste of his own medicine on that one then of course he had all his excuses after saying anyone who fails a test should be banned for life.

[elfag]

ostarine is so ***ing mild of a PED, this whole thing is ****** being they all use PEDs ryan just got caught and for a mild one.

[billeau2]

That's possible, yeah.

It's all just guess work though isn't it.

Ryan will present his case and they'll make their decision. There's no real logic behind this.

My view on it is; PED's in your system = Ban.

There is no excuse for it, contamination included.

If there is no way to truly know HOW (it gets into the system) then anyone can claim it was an accident. They really have no choice but to assume if it is in your system you are responsible. There might be exceptional circumstances but they should be very exceptional lol.

[IronDanHamza]

Yes osterine would seem to be a poor choice if trying to max the results, however maybe this could be thought about in a different way too. Canelo has his 'built in excuse' of the tainted meat, maybe cunning ryan is using his own built in excuse, which is, there is no way i would be so dumb to use this substance when it is not the best or most efficient for gains so therefore its much more likely its just contamination because as derek says in the video, no sane guy who knows about sarms would advise this one, therefore its contamination, if he was caught with 'the best one' people might say, ah look definitely cheat here, no excuses, but now he has an excuse

That's possible, yeah.

It's all just guess work though isn't it.

Ryan will present his case and they'll make their decision. There's no real logic behind this.

My view on it is; PED's in your system = Ban.

There is no excuse for it, contamination included.

[IronDanHamza]

Dan,

The testing process seems to indicate that one can have some amount in the system, like that first drug Ryan was tested for and was cleared, how do they determine these different threshholds for the drugs? Like what amount they determine to be a positive test versus an amount below that? Is it: an amount that would show they had to take in the drug from an artificial source? Or, some amount of the drug that would give an advantage?

Because the drug he was cleared for was Nandrolone, which is a 19-Nortestosterone, meaning it's derivative of testosterone. When used to enhance performance unnaturally is it synthetically made. But, because it's a derivative of testosterone I.e endogenously produced, the body can produce it naturally. So when Ryan flagged for it, they had to take it to further testing to see if it was naturally produced or synthetically taken and they concluded that it wasn't synthetically taken, thus he was cleared for that. I have my opinions on that, not sure I all the way agree with that conclusion but it's yet another case of being impossible to truly conclude.

Ostarine however, is a selective androgen receptor modulator also known as a "SARM" which are not produced naturally in your body and can only enter it by being ingested. Whether that be intentionally, or unintentionally, both are more than possible. And that's what they're trying to figure out now.