Comments Thread For: Bill Haney Calls for Ryan Garcia to Be Hit With Lifetime Ban From Boxing

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

The boxing commissions should get together and set concrete steps and punishments to deal with fighters caught using PEDs , or just decide to do nothing. It's not cool that different fighters get different consequences, even from the same commission for the same offenses. Make the punishments consistent across the board. Right now there are probably some very powerful people in the sport lobbying behind the scenes to keep this cash cow Garcia from suffering consequences that will keep him out of the ring for any significant amount of time. Got to catch em while they're biting like we fishermen say.

[THC]

Unlike maintaining fair competition in sports like swimming or weight-lifting, drug tests in boxing also bears the onus of athlete safety. Those promoters who still proceed with events, knowing one of their fighters have failed a pre-fight screening, are greedy snakes. They should be jailed.

[Bro. Steve]

I think a lifetime ban is excessive.

The fact he came in over and then tested positive for PED’s warrants a 2 year ban, forfeiture of his purse, and changing the win to an NC.

I can certainly understand the sense that a little bit of juice shouldn’t put a guy out of his sport for life. But the sport won’t be rid of cheats unless it’s collectively willing to take it all the way.

[Bro. Steve]

Regarding 2: so they are doing this in the ring after their ring walk?

I like the idea!

[THC]

While we are doing that how about we ban victor conte as well. Neither Devin or bill could sit there with a straight face and give us a believeable answer as to why having the wealth Devin has they couldn’t find any other “nutrionist” on the planet to work with him.

Team Haney hiring Conte clearly undermines their position. Conte, a convicted felon whose expertise includes passing drug tests. Yeah, that's a good look...

[Smash]

Osterine didn’t help those left hooks connecting.

how do u know this tho? if peds help with str and endurance, making weight, training higher intensity recovery etc as well know they do, this is a big advantage, thats why they are illegal, if they didnt help they would be legal

[billeau2]

Banned for life? Bill Haney talked so much crap before the fight now he's crying like a baby! His son gets knocked down twice (should have been a least five) and that miniscule amont wouldn't have made that much a difference in that beat down! There won't a rematch because they're scared the result will be the same!

Stuntman Mike posted a great video. It does show that if Ryan thought taking that amount of this drug would do anything he was really uninformed lol. And there is the matter that ethically when Bill Haney took the money for the weight he opened the door in some respects for shenanigans. Plus, Haney is a known weight bully lol.

I think Ryan can find a way to bring these factors into the equation regarding the punishment it might be good for him.

[Smash]

It's patently illogical to assume Ryan got any great measure of performance and capability from the small amount he took according to this video. Unfortunately the legal thresholds are different.

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why would u take a small amount of something illegal like that if it was not going to give u any benefit?

oh ill just take a small dip of this, it wont help me of course and i may get caught for it, but who cares im just in that mood lol

its a small amount now, but it may not have been a small amount at some point & is just showing up as a small amount now, for every Expert who says one thing u have another expert who says the opposite, cycling is the gold standard for peds in the sport and their guys regularly got busted for trance amounts and banned cos they knew there were cheating

[billeau2]

the weird thing about being busted for peds is that if u like the fighter hes been setup contamination fake bad luck levels were not enough to help the hair test was clear blah blah always the same stuff, but if u dont like the guys, its ban the scumbag, ban him for life, throw the book at him, i knew it, look at his body its not right, lol

rinse and repeat

The law and thresholds are designed to eliminate those variables. In order to do that we have to also eliminate other possibilities which may be relevant. That's just the way things are though. If I set a threshold and someone has more than the threshold in their system that has to be their responsibility.

What they can do is consider what a reasonable person would do if they wanted to enhance and if you do this one finds this choice Ryan made to be dubious at best lol. To be clear it doesn't mean he didn't make that choice however, if someone can establish some other motive with proof we can at least consider how dubious this choice is.

[billeau2]

Check the other thread out with the documentry in it


Something really stinks of rat about this especially Devins younger brother not being able to contain himself and ssying that allah came to him and told him ryan was going to pop dirty like 10 days before anyone else knew
Its obvious the young guy overheard a "plan" and just couldnt contain himself

Also al you guys should check out this video hes a steroid specialist and hes basically clearing ryan of willingly cheating and is certain its contamination...this guy is well respected in that field
https://********/6AyCpDJQ3Kc?si=SKMtU8K6l5zRISfe

That's a very good source. And he makes a point that should be part of the logic not necessarily if we're rendering a legal decision, but logic, which is: Ryan excreted an amount that was hardly performance enhancing.

I personally believe one of the short comings of our species is our inability to reconcile something like logic and legal matters. The law to function it has to be uncompromising, even if motive is really not logical.

It's patently illogical to assume Ryan got any great measure of performance and capability from the small amount he took according to this video. Unfortunately the legal thresholds are different.

My own opinion hopefully this will be considered as part of the legal decision and punishment. It does make one consider the possibility of a taint and supplements are otherwise.

Obviously we can't discount the findings of the test hopefully we can consider all alternatives when decisions are rendered.