Comments Thread For: Heavyweight History Dictates That Fury-Usyk Won't Live Up To The Hype

[juggernaut666]

I've been saying this for as long as this fight was made and I will say it again: This fight will be as or more boring that Fury vs Wlad. I do not want it to be boring, in fact I would love this to be fight of the year, but it is not happening. Here is why:

1) Both fighters do not really have KO power. They are more accuracy driven which builds up over time leading to a KO. See Fury Wilder or Usyk DDD.
2) Fury is going to lean on Usyk or try to. I can see a lot of clinching happening because of this. I think it depends on the ring size (It looks small to me)
3) Fury is surely going for the body. So expect in the clinching, to have Fury digging shots or trying to dig shots in. That means lots of holding/leaning etc

I have it going 12 and I have it a draw. 116-112 Fury 115-113 Usyk 114-114.

You know those are I think the same scores two of the judges in this fight gave in a Usyk fight AGAINST him even the draw which I count against Usyk . I wonder how they both got on here again ? Lol

[Toffee]

Depends on what people think a good fight is.

Joshua v Usyk was, for me, a brilliant fight. The Fury v Wilder trilogy fight was as entertaining as anything we've seen but was not the same kind of high level fight.

We love a war, but that's not usually what the best fighters do. A war introduces an element of chance, and the very best don't take unnecessary chances.

This one will be more chess than war. They'll have mini battles over fight style, what distance it's fought at, foot placement, jabs and counters. They're not going to come in and trade bombs until one man is left standing. If it's the best v the best then you'd expect nothing less.

[Roberto Vasquez]

Hey Roberto
I totally agree with all the points you made in your Post
Lets hope it isn't grab & hold /Snooze Fest Fight
I just want the Usyk "Cruiserweight Boxer" that moved up to Heavy Weight to prove to the world than he can be the 2024 undisputed HW Champ

I want Usyk to win but more because Fury doesn't deserve it. He constantly avoids fights. He only got in the ring with Usyk after Dubois knocked him down. Before that he was running like crazy.

Usyk fights everyone. He deserves the win.

Fury will def try to grab Uysk when he gets close. Even his old sparring partner (the one who cut him) says this was Fury's tactics. To move a lot and grab Usyk when he gets close. Keep him at range

[PRINCEKOOL]

Most people are making cliche observations with this fight i.e Both fighters will just try and out box each other 'Because stylistically they are similar type of fighters'.

I actually envisioning a serious possibility, that Oleksandr Uysk is not going to fight Tyson Fury off the back foot to the extent the media are trying claim 'Usyk really has never been a backfoot fighter'.

Oleksandr Uysk has never ever fought in a title fight, the same way Tyson Fury did against Wladimir Kiltschko 'Tyson Fury in this match up, is the fighter who historically fights out of a defensive line'.

Tyson Fury may well be a complete fighter, and he does have the ability to fight in all area's 'But goodness, he is a innately extremely clumsy fighter with sub-par boxing fundamentals'.

For all of Tyson Fury's abilities, the fact that he is a innately clumsy fighter, who is prone to making unforced errors in any sort of competitive fight 'Those are not good traits to have vs fighters like Oleksandr Usyk'.

And this is one of the reasons why? Anthony Joshua is stylistically a very difficult fight for Tyson Fury 'Because fighters like Uysk and Joshua, their entire game is built upon solid boxing fundamentals, and being technically correct'.

This is why they were both Olympic Champions, both elite level amateur fighters 'When in comparison Tyson Fury was not a elite level amateur fighter, and his best most notable achievement as a amateur is losing to David Price over the distance in competitive fight'.

Nobody can deny that this fight is stylistically a extremely interesting fight for the real boxing fans 'Not living up to the hype for who? The surface level fans in society? For me that kind of talk is irrelevant'.

The closer this fight gets, I can envision a fight were Uysk maybe comes to the decision to just move forward vs Fury 'Historically if you pressure Fury, and make the fight competitive. I have seen Tyson Fury make technical mistakes, produce unforce errors more than most other elite level fighters'.

Fury squares up on the inside, as if he is opening the front door to his house 'This is one of his favourite moves to make in a agressive fight. We have seen him do this numerous times vs Wilder and get decked, and he has done this throughout his entire career'.

Tyson Fury has the ability to fight on the inside, but his inside game is not elite 'I don't rate Fury's inside game anywhere near Lennox Lewis or Rid**** Bowe'. Those were the last two great super Heavyweights, who had the ability to produce a high level inside game.

Note: There may be a twist in this Undisputed title fight and the action. And that twist may come from Oleksandr Uysk 'Because when you check all of Fury's fights. Even under Peter Fury, Tyson Fury was a innately extremely clumsy fighter who was prone to producing unforced errors'.

When Wladimir Kiltschko decided to attack Fury more in their fight 'Fury technically you could see, was all over the place'. Fury is game on the inside, but his inside game is not elite level.

Wilder, Wallin, Chisora I, USS Cunningham 'Whenever a fighter has pressured Tyson Fury, or Fury has decided to apply serious pressure himself. Fury gets **** about in those fights, decked or busted up real good.

Tyson Fury is a complete fighter 'The reason why I regard Fury as a complete fighter. Is because he can and will fight in all area's of boxing'. But Tyson Fury is not a elite level fighter in all of those area's.

A lot of credit is given to Tyson Fury's inside game 'But Fury's inside game is not elite level skill for skill'.

So what I am trying to say is? There may be twist in the action of this fight, there is a possibility that Uysk may just attempt to stay within mid-range 'And launch attacks at high frequency'.

Because historically in those type of fights 'Fury may show greater determination and be game on the inside. But he produces unforced errors, technically his fundamentals sometimes go out the window'.

We have seen this in all of Tyson Fury's top level fights at some point 'We saw this in Tyson Fury's last fight'.

Tyson Fury in the first round vs Francis Ngannou 'Decided to apply his inside game, what happened? Fury was decked by Ngannou, why? Because Tyson Fury's inside game is not elite level.

People who do not have knowledge of Heavyweight boxing beyond this era 'They believe that Fury vs Wilder II, Wilder vs Fury III. Are high level inside game fights'.

I can assure people right now, that those Heavyweight fights skill for skill 'Were not high level inside game fights'.

Wladimir Kilschko in the aftermath of losing to Tyson Fury 'In my opinion understood that he needed to attack Tyson Fury. In the build up to their rematch, Kiltschko continually stated that all he needs to do 'Let his punches go'.

It is not that Tyson Fury has inability to fight on the inside or when under attack 'Fury is competent in those type situations to a certain extent. But his mid-range to inside game is overrated in my opinion'.

Oleksandr Uysk and his team may have detected this, and I can envision fight 'Where Uysk attacks Fury, more than he did Joshua' etc.

[greeneye99]

I want Usyk to win but more because Fury doesn't deserve it. He constantly avoids fights. He only got in the ring with Usyk after Dubois knocked him down. Before that he was running like crazy.

Usyk fights everyone. He deserves the win.

Fury will def try to grab Uysk when he gets close. Even his old sparring partner (the one who cut him) says this was Fury's tactics. To move a lot and grab Usyk when he gets close. Keep him at range

Damn
It was a great fight to watch and I'm glad the cruiserweight beat Fury
Lol

[Roberto Vasquez]

Damn
It was a great fight to watch and I'm glad the cruiserweight beat Fury
Lol

Yes it was a great fight. I'm also glad Usyk won. I am British but Fury just doesn't deserve my support anymore. He ducks too many guys - might be some of the reason he lost too, you need to keep skills sharp.

Rematch is not a foregone conclusion but got to think that Usyk wins that too. I think Usyk beat the best Fury last night

[Weebler I]

Matt Christie got it WRONG

Epic battle that was.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Well I am not going to come up in here, and claim that I out right picked Oleksandr Uysk to win 'But for a long time I was backing him as the favourite'. The closer we got to the fight, I could honestly not envision the fight playing out as a 100% skill for skill boxing match, there was just too much on the line 'Historically I believe people learnt from Lennox Lewis vs Evander Holyfield I, that fighters in a Undisputed Title fight have to leave it all in the ring'.

Lennox Lewis out boxed Evander Holyfield in their first fight, but? Did he honestly push the issue and completely leave it all in the ring? No. 'Lewis had the ability and form in that fight to win the fight beyond doubt, but he choice not to make that sacrifice and commit to that risk'.

Of course in the rematch Lennox Lewis unleashed more of his complete boxing game, sacrifice more and produced a greater effort 'Both fighters did, but Lewis pushed the issue and forced the win'.

Last night I believe Oleksandr Uysk pretty much skill for skill and in terms of effort 'Fought his best fight ever'. Right now as we speak? I am honestly not sure Uysk will be able to duplicate that performance in the rematch.

Tyson Fury for me, performed great. Once again Fury's clutch game, was evident 'In a big time fight situation, Fury has historically always put in a great effort'.

Although Fury has lost this fight, and in my opinion? I have never regarded Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder I 'As a Fury win, you don't win World title fights by being backed up all night decked twice once badly. But Fury still came out of that fight, with masses of credit'.

Tyson Fury in the aftermath of his performance vs Oleksandr Uysk 'I believe he comes out of his fight with many positives. The fight was in some ways a return to form from Fury, nobody can say that he fought a bad fight. Fury was just beaten'.

Stylistically I still don't consider Oleksandr Uysk as Tyson Fury's most difficult fight for him in his career right now 'Anthony Joshua would be in my opinion a stylistically more difficult fight'.

I have always stated that if the Joshua vs Uysk fourth fight is called for 'I would backed Anthony Joshua for the win'.

And I have a very similar opinion with Tyson Fury 'If the rematch is made with Uysk, Fury has a serious chance of winning'.

Note: It just seems to me, that OIeksandr Uysk is executing his fights 'And training camps, to near maximum levels of efficiency and beyond'.

But with Anthony Joshua and Tyson Fury 'On a fight by fight basis, there is a greater differential in their performances. And this is because as Heavyweight fighters they have a more vast operational window than Uysk'.

Meaning they can switch up styles and even morph their physiques into a dramatically different fighters 'Fury was 277 pounds vs Ngannou. Against Uysk, Fury weighed in at 262 pounds'.

Oleksandr Uysk for sure won the fight vs Tyson Fury 'He was the aggressor in the fight, and he inflicted the most damage. And just like in his fights vs Joshua, Uysk like a Olympic middle to long distance track athlete, has great ability to inflict the pressure in Championship rounds. Uysk puts in stints and waves of pressure'.

One of Uysk's greatest attributes is his endurance, and as a fighter he uses that attribute tactically like a great distance track athlete.

Both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua were in the fight vs Uysk until round 9 'Against both fighters Uysk seems switch through the gears of pressure. Uysk inflicts damage with his endurance'.

To conclude: It was a great fight, Oleksandr Uysk for me skill for skill has fought pretty much his best fight ever. In reality skill for skill combined with effort, Uysk's two wins vs Joshua and now Fury are his best ever performances.

I don't think Anthony Joshua would of watched that fight last night, and been intimidated by the prospect of fighting Uysk again or Fury.

Oleksandr Uysk is the Undisputed World Heavyweight Champion 'Uysk was already a all-time great fighter before this fight, but now he has put that claim beyond doubt' etc.

Most people are making cliche observations with this fight i.e Both fighters will just try and out box each other 'Because stylistically they are similar type of fighters'.

I actually envisioning a serious possibility, that Oleksandr Uysk is not going to fight Tyson Fury off the back foot to the extent the media are trying claim 'Usyk really has never been a backfoot fighter'.

Oleksandr Uysk has never ever fought in a title fight, the same way Tyson Fury did against Wladimir Kiltschko 'Tyson Fury in this match up, is the fighter who historically fights out of a defensive line'.

Tyson Fury may well be a complete fighter, and he does have the ability to fight in all area's 'But goodness, he is a innately extremely clumsy fighter with sub-par boxing fundamentals'.

For all of Tyson Fury's abilities, the fact that he is a innately clumsy fighter, who is prone to making unforced errors in any sort of competitive fight 'Those are not good traits to have vs fighters like Oleksandr Usyk'.

And this is one of the reasons why? Anthony Joshua is stylistically a very difficult fight for Tyson Fury 'Because fighters like Uysk and Joshua, their entire game is built upon solid boxing fundamentals, and being technically correct'.

This is why they were both Olympic Champions, both elite level amateur fighters 'When in comparison Tyson Fury was not a elite level amateur fighter, and his best most notable achievement as a amateur is losing to David Price over the distance in competitive fight'.

Nobody can deny that this fight is stylistically a extremely interesting fight for the real boxing fans 'Not living up to the hype for who? The surface level fans in society? For me that kind of talk is irrelevant'.

The closer this fight gets, I can envision a fight were Uysk maybe comes to the decision to just move forward vs Fury 'Historically if you pressure Fury, and make the fight competitive. I have seen Tyson Fury make technical mistakes, produce unforce errors more than most other elite level fighters'.

Fury squares up on the inside, as if he is opening the front door to his house 'This is one of his favourite moves to make in a agressive fight. We have seen him do this numerous times vs Wilder and get decked, and he has done this throughout his entire career'.

Tyson Fury has the ability to fight on the inside, but his inside game is not elite 'I don't rate Fury's inside game anywhere near Lennox Lewis or Rid**** Bowe'. Those were the last two great super Heavyweights, who had the ability to produce a high level inside game.

Note: There may be a twist in this Undisputed title fight and the action. And that twist may come from Oleksandr Uysk 'Because when you check all of Fury's fights. Even under Peter Fury, Tyson Fury was a innately extremely clumsy fighter who was prone to producing unforced errors'.

When Wladimir Kiltschko decided to attack Fury more in their fight 'Fury technically you could see, was all over the place'. Fury is game on the inside, but his inside game is not elite level.

Wilder, Wallin, Chisora I, USS Cunningham 'Whenever a fighter has pressured Tyson Fury, or Fury has decided to apply serious pressure himself. Fury gets **** about in those fights, decked or busted up real good.

Tyson Fury is a complete fighter 'The reason why I regard Fury as a complete fighter. Is because he can and will fight in all area's of boxing'. But Tyson Fury is not a elite level fighter in all of those area's.

A lot of credit is given to Tyson Fury's inside game 'But Fury's inside game is not elite level skill for skill'.

So what I am trying to say is? There may be twist in the action of this fight, there is a possibility that Uysk may just attempt to stay within mid-range 'And launch attacks at high frequency'.

Because historically in those type of fights 'Fury may show greater determination and be game on the inside. But he produces unforced errors, technically his fundamentals sometimes go out the window'.

We have seen this in all of Tyson Fury's top level fights at some point 'We saw this in Tyson Fury's last fight'.

Tyson Fury in the first round vs Francis Ngannou 'Decided to apply his inside game, what happened? Fury was decked by Ngannou, why? Because Tyson Fury's inside game is not elite level.

People who do not have knowledge of Heavyweight boxing beyond this era 'They believe that Fury vs Wilder II, Wilder vs Fury III. Are high level inside game fights'.

I can assure people right now, that those Heavyweight fights skill for skill 'Were not high level inside game fights'.

Wladimir Kilschko in the aftermath of losing to Tyson Fury 'In my opinion understood that he needed to attack Tyson Fury. In the build up to their rematch, Kiltschko continually stated that all he needs to do 'Let his punches go'.

It is not that Tyson Fury has inability to fight on the inside or when under attack 'Fury is competent in those type situations to a certain extent. But his mid-range to inside game is overrated in my opinion'.

Oleksandr Uysk and his team may have detected this, and I can envision fight 'Where Uysk attacks Fury, more than he did Joshua' etc.