Haney has Tommy Fury muscles to compensate for a small.. power?

[automaton89]

Theres different types of KO power and there are different types of bodies, i dont think there is a real correlation. plenty of muscular guys who have power, like wlad, Haye and Joshua, even back in the day guys like Foreman and Liston were big / muscular for their era.

Theres the skinny guys like hearns, coralles and wilder.

Theres some guys like beterbiev he doesnt have the huge traps and delts that people are associating with muscular but hes strong as an ox and he isnt skinny either, hes a different type of muscular.

Theres the guys who are one shot KO artist and theres the guys who are accumulation punchers. Theres guys like wilder who need full extension on their shots and theres guys like foreman or beterbiev where they can hurt you with short inside shots that look effortless.

You also got some guys like manny or hamed who didnt have huge upper bodies but had some thick tree trunk legs.

Then some fat guys like a Ruiz or Zhang they got a lot of muscle under all their fat where as a guy like Fury is more skinny fat if you can call a 280 pound man skinny fat.

I would say physique doesnt have a correlation so i agree to a point but I also wouldnt say that muscular guys have no power as a broad statement.

Lets not forget an even more extreme example. G-man..

[elfag]

HE was not jacked in the photo sitting next to cus. He trained to get a certain level in honor of Arnold and other builders he looked up too. He did it as much as he could get away with without ruining his boxing

Hes 58 years old and has the same build he had since 14. He always had a muscular build. I already told your dumb ass he went on a big cycle post prison where he was his most shredded

[ELPacman]

I've been preaching it forever. Power is strength+speed. There are a lot of STRONG skinny guys. I'm talking skinny looking mofos, at my gym (myself included) that can move crazy heavy weight despite the lack of muscle. The CON to this however, is due to the lack of muscle, we can't always go for long reps. I consider myself a one and done on certain lifts, but that one I do is quite significant for my weight/look. Where the guy with more muscle though is lacking strength can go higher reps at a lower weight.

Ultimately, power has nothing to do with looks and is a combination of tendons, bone structures and putting everything together. If you can lift heavy as f**k and move your arms fast enough, there is a good chance you will generate the power to put some hurt on someone. I bet you guys like Tim Bradley would be at the gym, killing it at a light weight, high volume. His muscles got crazy toned and defined, but because he wasn't lifting super heavy, his strength never went up. Thus his lack of power. You can also have the speed which is fine, but lacking strength with the speed means, no power with all that speed.

[djtmal]

It’s genetics.

Big muscles don’t equate to power. It’s an enate ability at the surface.

Punchers like Inoue, George Foreman, Tommy Hearns, Golovkin etc are born. Their muscle mass is irrelevant.

Iron Dan prefers huggers

[johncods]

A big factor of being a puncher is mindset. You have to commit to a punch and be willing to put yourself in a high risk position.

Thats why you'll never see a big KO puncher who's also known for his defense.. Ofcourse there are exceptions like Canelo once was or Inoue but you have to commit to a punch that can KO someone

[IronDanHamza]

Iron Dan prefers huggers

Based on what?

[automaton89]

He tries, but he can’t punch hard. He never will, he doesn’t have the genetic make up for it.

Tommy hearns wasn't a big puncher as an amateur

[automaton89]

I've been preaching it forever. Power is strength+speed. There are a lot of STRONG skinny guys. I'm talking skinny looking mofos, at my gym (myself included) that can move crazy heavy weight despite the lack of muscle. The CON to this however, is due to the lack of muscle, we can't always go for long reps. I consider myself a one and done on certain lifts, but that one I do is quite significant for my weight/look. Where the guy with more muscle though is lacking strength can go higher reps at a lower weight.

Ultimately, power has nothing to do with looks and is a combination of tendons, bone structures and putting everything together. If you can lift heavy as f**k and move your arms fast enough, there is a good chance you will generate the power to put some hurt on someone. I bet you guys like Tim Bradley would be at the gym, killing it at a light weight, high volume. His muscles got crazy toned and defined, but because he wasn't lifting super heavy, his strength never went up. Thus his lack of power. You can also have the speed which is fine, but lacking strength with the speed means, no power with all that speed.

I am a puncher and can confirm your hypotesis. I think the key word is functional strength, such as wrestling.

You don't need to be a great lifter since those are isolated workouts, with the exception of dead lift.

[automaton89]

You Will also find that all punchers have powerful jabs.

That's because the least powerful technique is Still powerful due to strong grip strength. They are strong, so arm punches will still be powerful.

[Sparked_26]

A big factor of being a puncher is mindset. You have to commit to a punch and be willing to put yourself in a high risk position.

Thats why you'll never see a big KO puncher who's also known for his defense.. Ofcourse there are exceptions like Canelo once was or Inoue but you have to commit to a punch that can KO someone

I agree with this. There has to be a willingness to throw when the other guy is - especially at the level we tend to talk about.

Anthony Joshua being a decent example of this. Since he got bounced around by Ruiz he was worried about getting caught whilst throwing. He seems to have mentally adjusted now and he will pull counter and throw a shot over the top.

But to be fair the main part of that adjustment is probably just resigning yourself to the fact that you're gonna get caught yourself occasionally and hopefully not by one that puts you out and especially at heavyweight.

In all likelihood Joshua will get KO'd again at some point. So there is some mental gymnastics to be done there.