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Does Wilders reach give him more power in hooks?

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  • #21
    No idea. Dudes right hand is completely bonkers.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by automaton89 View Post

      Any heavyweight can put proper leverage into a strike if they choose to
      Heres where a little clarification goes a long way: Heavyweights have more weight. Weight has certain proportions related to the whole of the body... There is a point where a person cannot use additional weight for more power. That point is debated with some thinking it is just north of 200 (240ish) and some thinking that a 300 pound man can use the additional weight to an advantage. IF weight was absolute, it would contradict what we know about human physiology.

      For example, Lou Ferrigno, the original incredibe hulk weighed in at like 240 pounds and wanted to run a marathon... Even in proportion, even though Lou had the required strength to use his weight... he was no competition for a typical marathon runner. Same thing: at a certain point carrying less weight is too light, but there is a range where being a certain weight is necessary to be a competative runner.

      So when we consider the leverage of a heavyweight we consider the ability to use extra weight with speed, explosive contraction, and positioning. Someone a little lighter often ups speed and leverage, inspite of less mass... Andy Ruiz for example has really fast hands, Wilder also... This plays into how weight is utilized. Fury weighs more but without the speed to move the weight (leverage) as fast as Wilder, may not generate as much power.

      Another example is a Pitbull. They have the most muscles attaching to their jaw structure, but among the breeds that bite hard, their actual bite strength is fair to middlin. The longer muscles of the Wolf creates a stronger bite. So, when considering all these variables, a heavy weight has weight that they leverage through the kinetic chain. This chain involves speed, positioning, and alighnment of the body. Just a little thing like where your head is, can add, or subtract incredible amounts from your power.

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      • #23
        Originally posted by 4truth View Post

        If he had a decent hook, Fury would not have beat the count
        100% agree.

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        • #24
          Not at all, it is all about muscle fibres and technique. He lacks the second, but he is a puncher, if not else. Plus, there are different kinds of hooks and long arms don't help when you deliver a short one (with the elbow at 45 degrees which necessitates a vertical fist).

          Think about Marciano and his short arms.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

            Heres where a little clarification goes a long way: Heavyweights have more weight. Weight has certain proportions related to the whole of the body... There is a point where a person cannot use additional weight for more power. That point is debated with some thinking it is just north of 200 (240ish) and some thinking that a 300 pound man can use the additional weight to an advantage. IF weight was absolute, it would contradict what we know about human physiology.

            For example, Lou Ferrigno, the original incredibe hulk weighed in at like 240 pounds and wanted to run a marathon... Even in proportion, even though Lou had the required strength to use his weight... he was no competition for a typical marathon runner. Same thing: at a certain point carrying less weight is too light, but there is a range where being a certain weight is necessary to be a competative runner.

            So when we consider the leverage of a heavyweight we consider the ability to use extra weight with speed, explosive contraction, and positioning. Someone a little lighter often ups speed and leverage, inspite of less mass... Andy Ruiz for example has really fast hands, Wilder also... This plays into how weight is utilized. Fury weighs more but without the speed to move the weight (leverage) as fast as Wilder, may not generate as much power.

            Another example is a Pitbull. They have the most muscles attaching to their jaw structure, but among the breeds that bite hard, their actual bite strength is fair to middlin. The longer muscles of the Wolf creates a stronger bite. So, when considering all these variables, a heavy weight has weight that they leverage through the kinetic chain. This chain involves speed, positioning, and alighnment of the body. Just a little thing like where your head is, can add, or subtract incredible amounts from your power.
            The best heavyweight punchers have the best of both worlds. That was my point. Ngannou is not slower than usyk punching wise. Nor is Ruiz.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by fifth_root View Post
              Not at all, it is all about muscle fibres and technique. He lacks the second, but he is a puncher, if not else. Plus, there are different kinds of hooks and long arms don't help when you deliver a short one (with the elbow at 45 degrees which necessitates a vertical fist).

              Think about Marciano and his short arms.

              Marciano looks to have thick bones on his hands, and he had good rotation. His speed was nothing special

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              • #27
                Originally posted by automaton89 View Post

                Marciano looks to have thick bones on his hands, and he had good rotation. His speed was nothing special
                Who talks about speed and bones? The topic is about if the length of the arms and the punching power are connected.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by fifth_root View Post

                  Who talks about speed and bones? The topic is about if the length of the arms and the punching power are connected.
                  Marciano punched most of his opponents half dozen times. He did not have many early knockouts.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by automaton89 View Post

                    Marciano punched most of his opponents half dozen times. He did not have many early knockouts.
                    Whatever...
                    billeau2 billeau2 likes this.

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                    • #30
                      It could, in theory, due to longer lever arm, but where the ligaments attach also makes a big difference in terms of acceleration (and risk of injury). There's some tall, lanky guys who do have a ton of power in their hooks. Junto Nakatani comes to mind, or Navarrete. Technique and timing matter a lot though.

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