Ryan Garcia will never win a world championship.

[Eff Pandas]

Yes. The above two are deifnetly considered champions, if they DEFEND AGAINST QUALITY OPPOSITION. For example, Haney winning the belt via e-mail and defending it against guys like old Loma, Old Linares, and Jojo make him a champion from a paper champion, while his resume isn’t very good.

Ryan Garcia might win a vacant belt, but he will never defend it against the best. He will never defeat the top dawgs in his division. He will never clean out a division. And lastly, he will never be pound for pound.

135? 140? He didn’t win a single title in any weight division.

So Haney himself was a paper champ who turned himself into a legit champ? Thats fair. Too involved for me to always be measuring, but fair. I'll stick with my Ricky Bobby take of "if you aren't first, you're last".

Isn't beating Devin beating a top dawg?

Agree he ain't cleaning out a division. Hes so adhd or whatever I think even if he was good enough to do it layoffs & random bs in his life would make that impossible for him. Very few cats do that as is tho so its not even a diss to say he won't.

I dgaf about p4p very much so got no dog in that race or much desire to debate it. But I'd imagine consistency will be an issue for his whole career, so not unlike with the cleaning out a division thing, I'd tend to agree. That said most guys don't either so its not much of a put down of Ryan's skills to say he won't either.

[Regge]

“but but he defeated a champion at 140 brooo” yeah a champion at 140 not at 143. There’s a reason he didn’t win that title, no matter how much he wants to yap. Haney is a glass jawed pillow fist, and even HE managed to rock ryan glassia.

He doesn’t have the dedication, work ethnic, nor mental toughness to win a high profile devision or an impressive stoppage. Move up to 147? boots and ortiz will starch him. By his very own admission, he cannot make 140 anymore and is going to welterweight.

Floyd, DLH, Pac, all these guys were PFP by the time they are ryan’s age. The only reason ryan is famous is because he has a genetically gifted face, having a robust face while having perfect prettyboy features. That’s it. This man is quite literally given undeserving shots against davis and haney because of his looks.

He has talent, sure (good power and speed) but it doesn’t translate to skill. No jab, turns around when he gets hit.


Best case scenario, he wins a paper belt.

He's more of a champ than fake title holder Haney or booty twerker Shakur lol

And this BS "ssskills pay the bills" is a narrative made up by ******* who ran jab and held all night and remember that **** don't translate to power, speed and heart.

**** outta here with your BS!

[thebrownbomber_]

He's more of a champ than fake title holder Haney or booty twerker Shakur lol

And this BS "ssskills pay the bills" is a narrative made up by ******* who ran jab and held all night and remember that **** don't translate to power, speed and heart.

**** outta here with your BS!

WOW. And yet mayweather beat all those “power speed and heart” bums . Skills pay the bills buddy. Malding iver a man who whooped your favorite fighters won’t help.

And no, he’s no champ and will never be onethat’s why even rolly ****ing romero busted his nose

[thebrownbomber_]

So Haney himself was a paper champ who turned himself into a legit champ? Thats fair. Too involved for me to always be measuring, but fair. I'll stick with my Ricky Bobby take of "if you aren't first, you're last".

Isn't beating Devin beating a top dawg?

Agree he ain't cleaning out a division. Hes so adhd or whatever I think even if he was good enough to do it layoffs & random bs in his life would make that impossible for him. Very few cats do that as is tho so its not even a diss to say he won't.

I dgaf about p4p very much so got no dog in that race or much desire to debate it. But I'd imagine consistency will be an issue for his whole career, so not unlike with the cleaning out a division thing, I'd tend to agree. That said most guys don't either so it’s inot much of a put down of Ryan's skills to say he won't either.

Devin is a champ at 140, again, NOT 143. And devin is a top dog on paper, skillswise, and even resume wise, he’s no where near a top dawg. Hell stevenson has better wins than haney on paper. Him whooping valdez ass is more impressive than Haneys entire career.

[Eff Pandas]

Devin is a champ at 140, again, NOT 143. And devin is a top dog on paper, skillswise, and even resume wise, he’s no where near a top dawg. Hell stevenson has better wins than haney on paper. Him whooping valdez ass is more impressive than Haneys entire career.

So Devin being #2 & a legit champ & not a paper champ makes him a top dog but not a top dawg???

You got A LOT of rules & unique definitions bruh. I'd argue this is partially why casual fan interest ****** for yrs til recently with novelty boxers & Turki just going for fan approval & wishes over belt, ratings & various other insanities us hardcore fans are married to imo.

[thebrownbomber_]

So Devin being #2 & a legit champ & not a paper champ makes him a top dog but not a top dawg???

You got A LOT of rules & unique definitions bruh. I'd argue this is partially why casual fan interest ****** for yrs til recently with novelty boxers & Turki just going for fan approval & wishes over belt, ratings & various other insanities us hardcore fans are married to imo.

Nope. He’s one of them but not the top dog at 140, 135, nor 143.

Teofimo, Tank, Stevenson, Mattias, are the e real top dogs