Comments Thread For: Keith Thurman Says 'No Pop Haney' Had No Survival Skills Against Ryan Garcia

[unbias_hater]

Keith Thurman does a lot of talking for someone who fights once every four years due to "injuries"

[SUBZER0ED]

He might have incurred another injury making those comments.

[SUBZER0ED]

Keith, line up a fight sir. Get the ring rust off and see where you are

He can't. He's stuck in a continuous cycle of talking trash, training for a fight, getting hurt and going to PT.

[A.B Counterhooks]

Lol Ok keef, when u fighting tho?

[champion4ever]

I mean are you saying Ryan should’ve lost a point for doing a wal mart Philly shell? Lmao. You reallllly reaching foh with that. I got no real issues with haney holding for dear life when ur hurt that’s what u supposed to do. Thing is he fell over like 3x trying to hold when he was out on his feet. Dude was diving to hold and crashing to the mat and the ref kept calling them slips and giving him time when he was clearly stank legged. I like that the fight wasn’t stopped by the ref because it shouldn’t have been. Haney fought on and showed heart that’s why we pay to see these kinds of fights. Bill haney on the other hand should have 100% thrown in the towel. Devin haney will never recover from the beating he took tonite

Whether Haney would be the same fighter or mentally same is virtually untrue. He is tough as nails and is mentally strong as they come.

Now physically; That’s purely subjective. It’s an opinion and not a fact but only time will tell whether he will recover from that beat down.

However, there’s one thing that I do know and that is Ryan Garcia is no longer the same fighter. He is now mentally and psychologically scarred.

He is now afraid of getting hit. Which explains his very strange looking Walmart variation of the shoulder roll; While exposing his back in the process for fear of getting hit.

Hell, even feather-fisted Devin Haney had him retreating and fighting off the back foot.

[real raw]

I don't think Haney is a natural, 'born-to-be" fighter. You either have that mindset, or you dont. His body and muscles aren't even optimized for the sport if you think about it. He's fast, but not too fast. His defense is good, but not great. He can't generate respectable power, no matter how hard he throws. And his recovery ability is pretty bad. And it looks like every time he fights a fighter with fast hands and feet, he seems to get in some sort of trouble

He's a good fighter overall, but seems to be a "made-fighter" and not a "born-fighter". Which is why he doesn't clap back when he gets clipped. He'd rather hold

Considering he got up off the canvas each time, and continued to not only engage, but pursue, I'd say that's the very definition of a born fighter.

[Boro]

Whether Haney would be the same fighter or mentally same is virtually untrue. He is tough as nails and is mentally strong as they come.

Now physically; That’s purely subjective. It’s an opinion and not a fact but only time will tell whether he will recover from that beat down.

However, there’s one thing that I do know and that is Ryan Garcia is no longer the same fighter. He is now mentally and psychologically scarred.

He is now afraid of getting hit. Which explains his very strange looking Walmart variation of the shoulder roll; While exposing his back in the process for fear of getting hit.

Hell, even feather-fisted Devin Haney had him retreating and fighting off the back foot.

I think his unconventional "shoulder roll" was entirely intentional, the ref never seemed to give him a stern warning for his repeated turning off the back.

And doing so effectively cut off Haney's ability to attack him to the body, But Haney was happy to be given the back but as we know from the Tank fight a solid shot to the ribs and he wilts.

It's likely despite Haney's feather fisted nature he would still fold Garcia with a well placed body shot...

The only shocking/alarming thing about this fight is Haney is suppose to be an elite boxer who seemed ill prepared if prepared at all for a guy who arguably only has the left hook.

Which is disgraceful given the aforementioned lack of power and his questionable chin, he HAS to be able to box to a different level than his opposition otherwise he's going to be found out over and over again, his best wins are a never was Prograis and an extremely debatable win over Loma...

Now he's faced someone his own size and with similar reach to himself he's been took apart handily by a guy who is essentially a left hook variant of Wilder...

[Boxingfanatic75]

So you're saying it's difficult to go from being a scumbag drug dealer to world class boxing trainer? Perhaps they can take the $1.5 mil gift that Garcia gave him and buy himself a real trainer. Bill Haney is the most annoying person in boxing next to Teo's father.

I dunno Danny Garcia’s pops is about as bad as they come

[real raw]

Well you might as well get used to it because it is the way the world. When a fighter is hurt; It’s natural for them to hold on for dear life.

C’mon man! Fighters have been doing that from the beginning of the sport. All fighters hold when they are hurt. It’s a natural instinct.

I was more disappointed in Ryan Garcia’s back turning defense. Now that is actually a foul and against the rules of the sport because it was an act of disengagement.

So when he began to persistently do it. Bill Haney instructed his son Devin to start punching him in the kidneys until he got the referee’s attention.

Once the referee got wind of it he started to warn Garcia about it and then allowed Devin to punch him there.

Had Devin did a Wladimir Klitschko; Like grabbing and clinching to avoid engaging, trading and exchanging punches.

Then you and other boxing fans alike would have a legitimate gripe about Haney’s holding.

I'm somewhat surprised that Devin wasn't able to do more damage with those free shots to the body

[Topdogggbm]

I don't think Haney is a natural, 'born-to-be" fighter. You either have that mindset, or you dont. His body and muscles aren't even optimized for the sport if you think about it. He's fast, but not too fast. His defense is good, but not great. He can't generate respectable power, no matter how hard he throws. And his recovery ability is pretty bad. And it looks like every time he fights a fighter with fast hands and feet, he seems to get in some sort of trouble

He's a good fighter overall, but seems to be a "made-fighter" and not a "born-fighter". Which is why he doesn't clap back when he gets clipped. He'd rather hold

Truer words have never been spoken