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As Heavyweight fans, are we better off or worse off NOW than we were 20 years ago?

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  • #11
    The 90's era was the last real great Heavyweight era 'I would say the standard of Heavyweights now, is very similar to the Kiltschko era'

    But there is one crucial difference, which makes this era appear more overall competitive 'Both Wladimir Kiltschko and Vitaili Kiltschko were in terms of pure ability much better than their nearest competition for the majority of their reign's as Heavyweight Champions'.

    Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, Anthony Joshua 'At no point of their careers as Champions, did they have the level of pure dominance over their nearest competition like the Kiltschko's'.

    The Kiltschko's dominated and cleared out a entire generation of Heavyweight fighters 'I have already posted the statistics of Wladimir Kiltschko's career. Wladimir Kiltschko is the last great World Heavyweight Champion, there are no active Heavyweight Champions today who are at his level of Greatest as a Heavyweight Champion'.

    Tyson Fury may have some mega wins, but really? He has never cleared out the Heavyweight Division 'Statistically he is not really been a great Heavyweight Champion, nowhere near to the level of past all-time great Champions'.

    I will post the feats of achievements of Tyson Fury, he is a great fighter within this era of Heavyweights 'But he has not been a great Champion'.

    Wladimir Kiltschko achieved a total of 24 successful Championship defenses 'And won 26 Championship level fights, from a total of 29 Championship level fights.

    Mike Tyson achieved 10 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 13 Championship fights in total.

    Muhammad Ali achieved 19 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 24 Championship fights in total.
    • Tyson Fury has achieved 3 successful defenses of his world titles, and has fought 6 Championship fights in total.
    ​Note: So as you can see? Tyson Fury is a great fighter within this era of Heavyweights 'But he has not been a all-time Great Heavyweight Champion. The feats of achievement and statistics are not present within his resume, when compared to many past great Heavyweight fighters'.

    Overall this era of Heavyweights has been more competitive across the entire division 'For me I have rated the Heavyweight Division as the best in boxing for many years. And it is still the best Division currently right now for overall competitiveness'.

    In terms of pure ability there is not much difference between the Kiltschko era 'But the closeness in competition, that is the differential which makes today's Heavyweight era more competitive'.

    There are many fighters people are not mentioning on this thread, that were active 20 years ago 'David Tua was still active, and extremely dangerous. High level of violence'.

    One of the major stories recently in today's Heavyweight era, has been 'The Francis Ngannou invasion into Heavyweight boxing'.

    Just imagine, if Francis Ngannou attempted to invade the Heavyweight Division 20 years ago 'Ether Kiltschko are beating him in my opinion, quite easily without potentially losing a single round'.

    It was the innate clumsiness of Tyson Fury, combined with his not so great boxing fundamental's 'Which allowed a great combat fighter, like Francis Ngannou to produce a good performance vs Tyson Fury'.

    The Kiltschko's technically on a fundamental level 'Not only did they have greater punching power than Fury, fundamentally they were also superior fighters who did not produce a high number of unforced like Fury'.

    Francis Ngannou 20 years ago 'Is ether getting beat systematically by The Kilschko's, or? If he did put in a courageous performance and decided then to have a second fight. 20 years ago there were still some extremely violent heavyweights who active, that could of been sent in to annihilate Francis Ngannou'.

    I would send in David Tua 'Lets do the opening press conference in a dark alley, and see who leaves that alley first'.

    David Tua would in my opinion would obliterate Francis Ngannou 'But the difference of the actual fight would be, I believe it would of been a constant assault from Tua'.

    Joshua's performance vs Ngannou was great 'If I could describe his performance, it was exercise in heavyweight boxing skill and power. Anthony Joshua was a Olympic Champion, and two time World Heavyweight Champion, Joshua's performances was a combination of brutality but also Heavyweight boxing skill'.

    Francis Ngannou vs David Tua 'Would be about power vs power. And Ngannou in my opinion would of been obliterated' etc.




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    • #12
      Klitsckos were the last big hw champions.

      Joshua was on a good way to become that , but two losses to Usyk ruined that.
      Last edited by JakeTheBoxer; 04-19-2024, 11:54 AM.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post

        A clean sweep? For who?

        To my best recollections 2004 THEN vs 2024 now.

        Today April 2024. Vs. 20 yrs ago April 2004

        Oleksandr Usyk.............. Vitali Klitschko .....Vitali
        Tyson Fury...................... Chris Byrd ... Fury
        Anthony Joshua............. John Ruiz ... Joshua
        Joseph Parker................. Hasim Rahman ... hard to call. I will say Rahman
        Zhilei Zhang.................... James Toney .....Toney, but only because Zhang is 40, fat, and throws few punches.
        Filip Hrgovic.................... Monte Barrett ... Hrgovic
        Frank Sanchez................ Andrew Golota ... Sanchez
        Jared Anderson.............. Fres Oquendo ... toss up. I will go with Anderson
        Joe Joyce....................... Jameel McCline ... McCline
        Deontay Wilder................ Corrie Sanders ... Sanders
        Agit Kabayel.................... Lamon Brewster​ ... Brewster


        2024 - 4

        2004 - 6

        A-huh

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        • #14
          I believe that both Klitschko brothers were great fighters, and moreover, true credits to this sport.
          They were marketed in the U.S. with a lukewarm effort, because their base was in Europe, but people watched anyway, and it's good to see how much respect they're getting retrospectively.

          Combined, they owned their era with a steel hammer. Nobody else in the rear view mirror.

          However. Some of that dominance was made available through a lack of other class A heavyweights prime during their combined time on the scene. I beleive that Fury, Wilder, Joshua and Usyk would have achieved the same mastery, if born in 71-76 instead of 85-89; and of course, if the Ks didnt exist.

          Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Wladimir Klitschko, Tyson Fury, Ken Norton, Joe Frazier, Evander Holyfield, Oleksandr Usyk, Anthony Joshua, Deontay Wilder, Ron Lyle, Vitali Klitschko, Rid**** Bowe, Gerry Cooney, Earnie Shavers, Jimmy Young, Ike Ibeabuchi, Tim Witherspoon, Gerrie Coetzee, Andrew Golota, Michael Dokes, Joseph Parker and David Tua are all class A heavyweights of recent vintage, but the month to month top 10 ratings across time can contain varying numbers of such fighters in the prime.

          This era simply has more of them than did those of 20 years ago. The 70s? Boatloats.​

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