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  • #51
    Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez View Post

    Canelo only fought Floyd once dude. There was a reason he didn't get the rematch once he got good. Not hard to figure out...
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    The reason he didn’t get a rematch is very simple. At what weight was the rematch going to be at?
    Floyd started his career at 130 and it’s the reason why Floyd fought ONLY two times at 154.

    If Canelo was so good, how do you explain his dubious victory over GGG, the Lara BS or even the close decision vs Cotto. Why didn’t Canelo give Cotto a rematch? Roach and Cotto asked for a rematch many many times. There was a reason Cotto didn't get the rematch. Not hard to figure out.



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    • #52
      Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez View Post

      Yes he kept asking and kept getting turned down...
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      Why didn’t Canelo give Cotto a rematch? Roach and Cotto asked for a rematch many many times. There was a reason Cotto didn't get the rematch.

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      • #53
        Originally posted by Oregonian View Post
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        Why didn’t Canelo give Cotto a rematch? Roach and Cotto asked for a rematch many many times. There was a reason Cotto didn't get the rematch.
        OK I will just say now that Floyd is perfect and always gave everyone a rematch who wanted a rematch. This is why he is better than every fighter who ever lived. Who else has remained unbeaten and yet never ducked a fight? Floyd is amazing.

        Saves arguing with a "believer"....

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez View Post

          OK I will just say now that Floyd is perfect and always gave everyone a rematch who wanted a rematch. This is why he is better than every fighter who ever lived. Who else has remained unbeaten and yet never ducked a fight? Floyd is amazing.

          Saves arguing with a "believer"....
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          I am glad you acknowledge and accept facts. I wish more people were like you, I really do. It saves a lot of arguing over obvious facts.
          I wasn’t expecting that but it shows people can change.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by Oregonian View Post
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            I am glad you acknowledge and accept facts. I wish more people were like you, I really do. It saves a lot of arguing over obvious facts.
            I wasn’t expecting that but it shows people can change.
            I only really became a believer when I saw Mayweather look competitive against the great YouTuber boxer Logan Paul. That was what changed my mind. Maybe only KSI has equalled that performance in the past

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            • #56
              Fury simply has more means to victory. Usyk can only move around and pot shot whereas Fury can box with him or rough him up in which Usyk has no inside game. Surprised so many people are thinking Usyk can win.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by pretty boy_
                Even if he was still capable of performing at his best it still wouldn't be enough to win. Horrible style match up for Fury here. Usyk's going to put on a clinic.
                Hard to know with undefeated fighters who have always found a way.

                But your view is my guess too. I think the "good mover for a big man" is going to be exposed by someone is genuinely an elite mover. I can see Usyk embarrassing Fury.

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by Roberto Vasquez View Post

                  I only really became a believer when I saw Mayweather look competitive against the great YouTuber boxer Logan Paul. That was what changed my mind. Maybe only KSI has equalled that performance in the past
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                  Faith is an incredible thing. You believe that a 44 year old long retired fighter strictly fighting an exhibition against a 6’2 guy that outweighs him by over 40 Ibs is a testament to greatness.
                  Perhaps you will also believe that Tyson will be the greatest of all time after he beats Jake Paul?
                  Faith indeed is an amazing thing. Amen!

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by Boxing56 View Post
                    Fury simply has more means to victory. Usyk can only move around and pot shot whereas Fury can box with him or rough him up in which Usyk has no inside game. Surprised so many people are thinking Usyk can win.
                    Tyson Fury is a complete fighter, in the sense that? He will and can give it a go in all area's of boxing.

                    But Fury has not really proven his long range boxing skills, mid range boxings kills or inside game 'Consistently against World and Elite level fighters'.

                    Out boxing fighters that can hardly move inside the ring like Dillian Whyte and Derek Chisora 'Is not the same type of challenge, as fighting Oleksandr Uysk'.

                    Tyson Fury's brute strength and inside game is also overrated, who exactly has he bulled forward against at elite level? Tell me which fighters, Fury has bulled forward against and blasted out? Tyson Fury fought on the back foot vs Wladimir Kiltschko, Dillian Whyte and Derek Chisora in their last two fights.

                    Whenever Fury has decided to move forward against another super heavyweight or a top level heavyweight 'He has most of the time, been ****** about and beaten up in those fights. And I am including Deontay Wilder in that statement'.

                    Otto Wallin pushed Tyson Fury over 12 rounds, and busted him up real good. Steve USS Cunningham decked Fury, and was in the fight right up until he was knocked out.

                    And lets all get it right? The tribology against Deontay Wilder was not a easy battle for Tyson Fury, Fury did not win the first fight 'You don't win World title fight by being backed up all night, decked twice once badly'.

                    If you really check Tyson Fury's resume, you will become aware 'That Fury is a game fighter, and has the capabilities to fight in all area's. But his actual pure ability skill for skill, is overrated'.

                    Tyson Fury has only ever really had one fight, where he looked dominated bulling forward 'And that was his second fight vs Deontay Wilder II'.

                    Great performance and win in terms of historical significant for Tyson Fury. But Deontay Wilder's brute strength is one of his worst attributes 'So why do people reference that fight, to reinforce Fury's abilities at being able to rough fighters up badly?'.

                    Note: Stylistically Oleksandr Uysk really should not be Tyson Fury's toughest fight. If you was playing a computer game, and creating a character to beat Tyson Fury 'That fighter would appear to be more like Anthony Joshua, and share more of his attributes. That is the type of character and fighter you would create to beat Tyson Fury'.

                    From the moment this fight was announced, I have always been adamant that 'It is Tyson Fury's lack of experience at World and Elite level, that will play a big factor in his performance'.

                    I don't regard Tyson Fury as a very experience fighter at World and Elite level 'Tyson Fury was not elite level Amateur, and unlike Usyk and Joshua he has not consistently been fighting a World or elite level within the professional ranks'.

                    I saw a interview with Tyson Fury yesterday 'It was terrifying'.

                    Tyson Fury in a interview started naming all the fighters he has fought 'Fury then claimed that Oleksandr Uysk is the best fighter out of all of them. Which was not the information which alarmed me'.

                    Wladimir Kiltschko, Deontay Wilder, Dillian Whyte, Derek Chisora, Otto Wallin 'Those were the fighters Fury specifically mentioned, so that right there is Fury's experience level'.

                    Only one of those fighters can be considered as a elite level fighter skill for skill, in terms of pure boxing ability 'Wladimir Kiltschko'. Deontay Wilder was a elite level fight, but in terms of the challenge? Nobody rate's Deontay Wilder skill for skill as a elite level boxer in terms of pure boxing'.

                    This is the first time in almost 9 years 'Close to a decade'. That Tyson Fury will be fighting another elite level heavyweight skill for skill, in Oleksandr Uysk.

                    Where as in comparison, Oleksandr Uysk has most likely fought multiple fighters who are skill for skill better than Tyson Fury 'Fury may be the heaviest fighter he has ever fought, but skill for skill he is not the best fighter'.

                    Oleksandr Uysk has already beaten a Superior Super Heavyweight who is a superior fighter than Tyson Fury in many area's twice 'Anthony Joshua has superior brute strength, power, combination punch ability and more solid boxing fundamentals'.

                    I have always been adamant that Tyson Fury will win or lose this fight in training camp 'And not due to lack of effort, but because of tactically not preparing with the most optimal methods'.

                    Tyson Fury and his team have appeared to to bring back 'Some sort of hybrid version of the Riddler. A version of Tyson Fury that we have not seen for almost 9 years'.

                    I personally have never liked this approach, because there was reason why Tyson Fury moved away from that training concept many years ago.

                    I still give Tyson Fury a serious chance of winning, purely due to his clutch game 'Fury has almost always won his biggest fights. All accept the first Deontay Wilder fight'.

                    So I do expect Fury, if he is being out skill and fought vs Oleksandr Uysk 'To have no issue throwing caution to the wind, and attempting to find a way'.

                    But from the moment this fight was announced, from what I have observed with all the interviews and information from Fury's preparation 'I have not been impressed' etc.








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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by Oregonian View Post
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                      Faith is an incredible thing. You believe that a 44 year old long retired fighter strictly fighting an exhibition against a 6’2 guy that outweighs him by over 40 Ibs is a testament to greatness.
                      Perhaps you will also believe that Tyson will be the greatest of all time after he beats Jake Paul?
                      Faith indeed is an amazing thing. Amen!
                      I was actually giving Floyd credit for holding his own against Logan Paul. At one point Floyd says in his corner "I can't hit him with my jab". Logan's wealth of boxing experience as a YouTuber was obviously giving him the advantage but Floyd really kept going after that moment of despair. Shows how great Floyd is.

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