What are some fights where legendary fighters heavily fouled.

[IronDanHamza]

You had him holding 5 avg per round for 60 total that is the number I am going with.

What way can I explain it easier that that was a guess, and then after gathering the actual evidence the number was much less at 24?

Don't you feel like a moron when you deny literal reality? A 3 year old child could understand this but you seem to be struggling mightily.

That's like me saying Marvin Hagler held 10000000 times vs Sugar Ray Leonard and that's why he lost. How would you feel about that statement?

[IronDanHamza]

Oh it absolutely does

No it really doesn't.

Facts and truth are objective. Such as Floyd holding 24 times vs Pacquaio.

How you feel about it couldn't matter any less because facts don't care about your feelings.

[djtmal]

Well no, it's not.

Pull up Floyd vs. Madonna 2 and count how times Floyd groped Madonna

[IronDanHamza]

First you said 60 total so like I said that is the number I am going with because Floyd boys are bs artists

You do know people can read this? How can you not be embarrassed?

Yes, I guessed 60 total.

After counting them it was much less at 24.

What part don't you understand?

[djtmal]

Yes, I guessed 60 total.

After counting them it was much less at 24.

What part don't you understand?

I understand fully that when you said that 5 avg holds per round with conviction, you wanted to retract it when you realized the total number was 60.

Enough about that because Floyd excessively held in that fight, complete with headlocks and flying clinches.

Go watch Floyd Madonna 2 and count Floyds clinches in that one. See if it surpasses 60.

[IronDanHamza]

I understand fully that when you said that 5 avg holds per round with conviction, you wanted to retract it when you realized the total number was 60.

How is a guess said with conviction? Do you know what the word "conviction" means?

A guess is just that, a guess. I guessed that because 5 per round is low.

After counting, it was much less at 24. Which is obecitvely low.

It takes a special kind of ****** to not grasp this. Or are you doing it on purpose to avoid reality? Either way it's embarrassing.

Enough about that because Floyd excessively held in that fight, complete with headlocks and flying clinches.

Go watch Floyd Madonna 2 and count Floyds clinches in that one. See if it surpasses 60.

Well no, unless you're saying 24 times is excessive?

I haven't rewatched Mayweaher- Maidana but I did just rewatch Hagler-Leonard and Hagler held 10000000 times in that fight. Would you say that's excessive?

[djtmal]

How is a guess said with conviction? Do you know what the word "conviction" means?

A guess is just that, a guess. I guessed that because 5 per round is low.

After counting, it was much less at 24. Which is obecitvely low.

It takes a special kind of ****** to not grasp this. Or are you doing it on purpose to avoid reality? Either way it's embarrassing.



Well no, unless you're saying 24 times is excessive?

I haven't rewatched Mayweaher- Maidana but I did just rewatch Hagler-Leonard and Hagler held 10000000 times in that fight. Would you say that's excessive?

Floyd excessively held in the Pacquiao fight imo. Made it a boring, horrific fight to watch.

Feel free to watch Floyd vs Madonna 2 so you can count how many clinches for Floyd in that fight, before you put your foot in your mouth with another guestimation again.

[IronDanHamza]

Floyd excessively held in the Pacquiao fight.

Feel free to watch Floyd vs Madonna 2 so you can count how many clinches for Floyd in that fight, before you put your foot in your mouth with another guestimation again.

So you're of the opinion that holding 24 times in a 12 round fight is excessive?

How do you account for the 10000000 times Hagler held vs Leonard then?

[djtmal]

So you're of the opinion that holding 24 times in a 12 round fight is excessive?

How do you account for the 10000000 times Hagler held vs Leonard then?

I and thousands, are of the opinion that Floyd held excessively.

You watching Floyd vs. Madonna 2. We need those actual clinch numbers asap

[Spray_resistant]

I got another one if it hasn't been posted, Ward/Kessler.

Yes, Ward is better than him, had more athletic ability and the inside game that Kessler doesn't but Ward was very dirty in that fight most of the damage to Kessler being from headbutts.