Crawford is in nowhere land

[crimsonfalcon07]

Inoue has to conquer a third division or at least rack up several more wins while Crawford is inactive. Becoming lineal king of 3 different weight divisions is the definition of pound for pound.

Lineal isn't all that IMO. The main claim to lineal being worthwhile is because, in theory, it's a better representation than the alphabet belts of who the top dog is in a division.

But Inoue has taken on the best guys in the division in his divisional debut 3 times now, and he fully cleaned bantamweight and is in process of doing so at 122. The number of guys who have been able to clean out their divisions of all credible competitors isn't that big, let alone doing so in 2. If Chocolatito hadn't ducked him and ultimately kept all of Cuadras, Estrada, and SSR from taking on Inoue in doing so, he'd likely be 4 division lineal. But Choc swerved him, then lost, and Inoue got the opportunity to face McDonnell, and the rest is history.

[hugh grant]

Lineal isn't all that IMO. The main claim to lineal being worthwhile is because, in theory, it's a better representation than the alphabet belts of who the top dog is in a division.

But Inoue has taken on the best guys in the division in his divisional debut 3 times now, and he fully cleaned bantamweight and is in process of doing so at 122. The number of guys who have been able to clean out their divisions of all credible competitors isn't that big, let alone doing so in 2. If Chocolatito hadn't ducked him and ultimately kept all of Cuadras, Estrada, and SSR from taking on Inoue in doing so, he'd likely be 4 division lineal. But Choc swerved him, then lost, and Inoue got the opportunity to face McDonnell, and the rest is history.

Yes, id say when ring mag rankings are updated inoue will be at the top..If they base it on what have you done lately. He's fought the best guys in division in his debut 3 times, and not taken 5 years to best Spence like bud did. Bud has stalled now, he's had his time in spotlight the shows over.

[Hustle]

He may have had a higher guarantee but the real money for top fighters is in the PPV upside. His fights were largely on ESPN so he didn’t get a chance to make better fights and build his name up to the casual audience that would make him a bigger mainstream star.

And of that PPV money the distributor takes 50% off the top. Then when you look at things like taxes and promotional costs that come out of that number and after paying the fighters that’s not much left over. When I see reports both fighters were guaranteed $25 million that math just doesn’t add up to a profitable fight for uncle Al.

Haymon took a bath once but he wasn’t and couldn’t do the rematch which would have had lower interest but both guys would still have wanted top dollar.

They didn't get a 25 million dollar guarantee. That's the first problem with your take.

And doing 200k ppv at pbc ain't no upside. Wilder and broner both exposed not getting their ppv backside after years.

If you're not doing 500k to 1 million ppvs. There is no upside

[STREET CLEANER]

Crawford instead of waiting around for Spence should had taken a fight and continue his momentum. Now that is lost and he is looking for a super fight that is not there. He is one of the best talents in the sport at the moment but people are not going to pay him what he think he is worth.

Don't know why he doesn't take a fight and make some money instead of waiting around and getting nothing. What he wants might not happen, there are no guarantees.

[kiaba360]

Crawford instead of waiting around for Spence should had taken a fight and continue his momentum. Now that is lost and he is looking for a super fight that is not there. He is one of the best talents in the sport at the moment but people are not going to pay him what he think he is worth.

Don't know why he doesn't take a fight and make some money instead of waiting around and getting nothing. What he wants might not happen, there are no guarantees.

TC waited for Spence due to their rematch clause. Spence was the reason why the rematch didn't happen. This whole situation illustrates the existential struggle between Boxing as a business vs. a legitimate sport. The "Business" part of the equation normally wins out.

[HeadShots]

No, it's not another topic. He's P4P #1 and you're an ignorant clown. This has already been established.

By beating who?

[STREET CLEANER]

TC waited for Spence due to their rematch clause. Spence was the reason why the rematch didn't happen. This whole situation illustrates the existential struggle between Boxing as a business vs. a legitimate sport. The "Business" part of the equation normally wins out.

That I know but the minute Spence said that he was injured or wanted it at 154 he should have started to make moves. There was never a solid response from Crawford. Now you got Spence trying to get a Fudora fight under the PBC umbrella.

[kiaba360]

That I know but the minute Spence said that he was injured or wanted it at 154 he should have started to make moves. There was never a solid response from Crawford. Now you got Spence trying to get a Fudora fight under the PBC umbrella.

In February, two things seemed to have occurred: TC officially became free of his rematch obligation and he officially requested for the WBO to make him mandatory for the 154lb title. As soon as TC was allowed to make a move, he did so. I think it looks like TC was dragging his feet only because he was tethered to Spence. It was ultimately Spence's responsibility to let TC know that he could move on. TC is using the sanctioning body method of getting a title shot, while Spence is looking to use his promotional relationship to get one. Fundora should either be facing TC (if he keeps the WBO), Bohachuk (who became 'interim' titlist on the same card) or Tszyu (if he wants to honor the verbal rematch agreement). If Spence/Crawford was a competitive contest, maybe I'd feel different. But the beat-down was so comprehensive that his team allowed the rematch clause to expire. How is that same boxer allowed to jump the line at a new weight? It's not like Spence let the rematch clause expire, then immediately moved up and started fighting contenders. He's been inactive just like TC. Spence should be fighting someone like Lubin in order to reestablish himself.

[STREET CLEANER]

In February, two things seemed to have occurred: TC officially became free of his rematch obligation and he officially requested for the WBO to make him mandatory for the 154lb title. As soon as TC was allowed to make a move, he did so. I think it looks like TC was dragging his feet only because he was tethered to Spence. It was ultimately Spence's responsibility to let TC know that he could move on. TC is using the sanctioning body method of getting a title shot, while Spence is looking to use his promotional relationship to get one. Fundora should either be facing TC (if he keeps the WBO), Bohachuk (who became 'interim' titlist on the same card) or Tszyu (if he wants to honor the verbal rematch agreement). If Spence/Crawford was a competitive contest, maybe I'd feel different. But the beat-down was so comprehensive that his team allowed the rematch clause to expire. How is that same boxer allowed to jump the line at a new weight? It's not like Spence let the rematch clause expire, then immediately moved up and started fighting contenders. He's been inactive just like TC. Spence should be fighting someone like Lubin in order to reestablish himself.

Spence supposedly had eye surgery. That was the point the TC had to move on and like you mentioned the rematch didn't look profitable because the one sided beating that Spence took.

TC has had a history of not had fought the names that matter because of negotiations or promoters disputes. A waste of talent if you ask me.

[kiaba360]

Spence supposedly had eye surgery. That was the point the TC had to move on and like you mentioned the rematch didn't look profitable because the one sided beating that Spence took.

TC has had a history of not had fought the names that matter because of negotiations or promoters disputes. A waste of talent if you ask me.

While his contemporaries were getting injured, becoming complacent, and not living the lifestyle of an elite athlete....TC stayed disciplined and stayed 100% ready until the big moment arrived. He didn't fall apart when the Pac fight fell through. The final chapter of the previous era of WWs will say that TC was the last man standing, with an image of him holding all of the titles. Porter fought prime versions of Brook and TC, while guys like Thurman and Danny Garcia played the background. When Brook couldn't get a PBC opponent, he got desperate and foolishly fought GGG. Once Brook became vulnerable...then PBC was willing to send someone over. That era is over, and TC ended it emphatically. I would like to see TC defend the throne against Ennis, in order to begin a new chapter. But if he's not going to do that, he needs to let that WBO title go.