Crawford is in nowhere land

[Hustle]

Crawford wasted his prime years with Top Rank. He signed and resigned with them when he could have pushed for bigger names earlier. Thats on him.

Now he’s a mid 30’s guy who barely fights once a year that wants big money but doesn’t bring in much.

I guarantee you Haymon lost money on the Crawford/Spence fight. Both guys got big guarantees plus PPV upside but the fight didn’t do a big gate and the PPV is pretty well but not enough to justify what they both got.

wrong.

They did a gate of 21 million dollars and 600k ppvs at $80 per ppv. You do the math.

That's over 70 million generated for bud vs errol.

Bud did right by staying at top rank. His guarantee was more than the pbc dudes was making. And once he fought the pbc guys. Porter and spence, he stopped them. We know bud wasn't ducking nothing. He was the big bad not them.

[QballLobo]

wrong.

They did a gate of 21 million dollars and 600k ppvs at $80 per ppv. You do the math.

That's over 70 million generated for bud vs errol.

Bud did right by staying at top rank. His guarantee was more than the pbc dudes was making. And once he fought the pbc guys. Porter and spence, he stopped them. We know bud wasn't ducking nothing. He was the big bad not them.

He may have had a higher guarantee but the real money for top fighters is in the PPV upside. His fights were largely on ESPN so he didn’t get a chance to make better fights and build his name up to the casual audience that would make him a bigger mainstream star.

And of that PPV money the distributor takes 50% off the top. Then when you look at things like taxes and promotional costs that come out of that number and after paying the fighters that’s not much left over. When I see reports both fighters were guaranteed $25 million that math just doesn’t add up to a profitable fight for uncle Al.

Haymon took a bath once but he wasn’t and couldn’t do the rematch which would have had lower interest but both guys would still have wanted top dollar.

[kiaba360]

He could give us a great fight with high demand like Ennis, but will he?

Hell, go fight Janibek and try to put pressure on Canelo for a future fight.

We're not going to act like there's no one out here for him to fight.

There's always someone to fight. Finding a relevant opponent for TC is one thing, and delivering his asking price is another. TR and TC probably won't be doing business, so Janibek is not an option. Even if it was, Janibek isn't an attraction yet. Ennis currently has no promoter, so it's not clear where the money will come from. WBO allowed TC to hold on to their 147lb title, so Ennis remains a possible opponent. TC vs. Tszyu/Fundora is the most obvious match-up. If Fundora vacates, then it'll be TC/Tszyu. TC's asking price is going to limit his options.

[hugh grant]

He's already a three division lineal champion (only been done by Fitzsimmons, Armstrong, Canzoneri, Ross, Leonard, De La Hoya, Pacquiao, Mayweather, and Crawford) and two division undisputed champion (only been done by Holyfield, Crawford, and Inoue in the 3 or 4 belt eras).

You're an ignorant clown.

That's why bud is a top 4 pfp fighter. He's got some nice achievements he can be proud of, probably achieved more than he believed he could.
But Bud isn't better than Inoue, usyk, and even nelos best wins are better than buds.
Yes, sure bud has been ring mag no1,pfp, but whether he genuinely deserves it, is another topic

[MikeyMike100]

He told Spence to get in line, Crawford is mandatory I think he will try and get Fundora for two titles.

Fundora is vacating the wbo and fighting Spence for the wbc

[MikeyMike100]

Crawford can still fight Tszyu next. Yes its coming off a loss but still a good fight.

[famicommander]

That's why bud is a top 4 pfp fighter. He's got some nice achievements he can be proud of, probably achieved more than he believed he could.
But Bud isn't better than Inoue, usyk, and even nelos best wins are better than buds.
Yes, sure bud has been ring mag no1,pfp, but whether he genuinely deserves it, is another topic

No, it's not another topic. He's P4P #1 and you're an ignorant clown. This has already been established.

[hugh grant]

No, it's not another topic. He's P4P #1 and you're an ignorant clown. This has already been established.

He's not everyone's no1. Sure, for now Ring mags. But when they update it, surely Inoue is no1, is he not!

[crimsonfalcon07]

That's why bud is a top 4 pfp fighter. He's got some nice achievements he can be proud of, probably achieved more than he believed he could.
But Bud isn't better than Inoue, usyk, and even nelos best wins are better than buds.
Yes, sure bud has been ring mag no1,pfp, but whether he genuinely deserves it, is another topic

This kind of thing is the same sort of argument that people use to put down Inoue. Facts are that the divisions aren't comparable. All you can do is fight the best available competition. A lot of the notions about quality of competition always come down to subjective crap like "bUt tHe WelTerWeigHt diVisIon is tHe gLamouR diVisIOn". Spence was called "P4P" on the strength of what, 5-6 defenses in one division? There's not a lot between that and Jamie McDonnell, TBH. He was the unified bantamweight champ and #1 or #2 ranked in the division at the time Inoue fought him, with 6 defenses. And I think there's no question that Donaire is a first ballot HOF and as it stands now, Spence likely isn't.

Another metric that's at least somewhat useful is the record of opponents. Bud's opponents have a 93.2% win rate, compared to 90.8 for Inoue. Inoue has fought more champions (13 to 10). There's not a lot between their careers. Bud only won the WBO 140lb title as a vacant against Dulorme. Every other title was taken from a champion. Inoue has taken all his world titles from a champion, and only Paul Butler wasn't ranked in top 10.

One thing that makes me question the strength of the division is how easy it is to get a title shot. For instance, cruiserweight is weak because two guys not even from that division and coming off of losses could fight each other and get a title shot off that, and even get to fight for a vacant title, or get emailed a title.

In terms of P4P, the theory is that it's supposed to be skill-based. Suppose Bud were the same size as Inoue ave they fought at, say 118 or 147. Who wins? Inoue's x-factor is his power. Bud has a very good chin, but he did get wobbled and maybe dropped by Kavaliauskus. But Bud is also better than Donaire who was the best counterpuncher Inoue faced. I'd guess that Bud edges Inoue slightly. They can both do it all. Inoue and Usyk are the guys who are truly daring to be great though. Bud, for all his accomplishments, didn't face the best guy in his divisional debut. Dulorme was unranked. Horn was #8/9.

[famicommander]

He's not everyone's no1. Sure, for now Ring mags. But when they update it, surely Inoue is no1, is he not!

Inoue has to conquer a third division or at least rack up several more wins while Crawford is inactive. Becoming lineal king of 3 different weight divisions is the definition of pound for pound.