Comments Thread For: Froch Has No Recollection Of Career-Changing Victory Over Taylor

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I thought this thread was about Froch? Now it's an argument about Calzaghe

Anyway, Froch was a very good tough fighter, not quite truly elite but took on all comers.

Calzaghe was arguably elite, but didn't seem to have the willingness to prove it throughout most of his career. He showed when he stepped up vs the likes of Kessler that he could beat these other good champions, he just didn't do it enough in his career. Sometimes it wasn't his fault, i.e Hopkins did price himself out years before they ended up fighting. Even so, it doesn't mask the fact that Joe was a champ for years and at one point went through about 6 years of fighting almost nobody above euro level.

Calzaghe is one of my favourite fighters, I think he could've arguably beaten the elite fighters at his best, but you have to actually get in the ring with them to do it.

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Lipsey was an undefeated prospect when Hopkins beat him. Mike McCallum was a bum? Was Mike a bum when he went to the UK and whooped Herrol Graham, Stevie Collins and Michael Watson. I agree Mike was a bit past it when he fought Jones, but than is in the HOF.

Hopkins and Roy clearly have superior resumes to Slappy Joe. It's not even close.

Lipsey was an undefeated prospect? He was a nobody. Veit actually beat an undefeated Braehmer and was undefeated himself. Joe beat Starie who beat an undefeated Clinton Woods. That's vastly superior to the rubbish you're putting through. Yet, i didn't name either. You're going beyond clutching at straws.

McCallum WAS a quality fighter. But he was shot to pieces when Roy faced him. Roy was like a prime opponent when he fought Joe compared to when McCallum fought Roy. The others were shot too or juts shlt. behave yourself.

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I thought this thread was about Froch? Now it's an argument about Calzaghe

Anyway, Froch was a very good tough fighter, not quite truly elite but took on all comers.

Calzaghe was arguably elite, but didn't seem to have the willingness to prove it throughout most of his career. He showed when he stepped up vs the likes of Kessler that he could beat these other good champions, he just didn't do it enough in his career. Sometimes it wasn't his fault, i.e Hopkins did price himself out years before they ended up fighting. Even so, it doesn't mask the fact that Joe was a champ for years and at one point went through about 6 years of fighting almost nobody above euro level.

Calzaghe is one of my favourite fighters, I think he could've arguably beaten the elite fighters at his best, but you have to actually get in the ring with them to do it.

An ATG, was arguably elite? Please tell me you're joking?

Calzaghe was ducked by all the top fighters. Who could he face? Give the time and date where Joe could have fought others?

Name that 6 years period where he supposedly didn't go beyond Euro level?

[deathofaclown]

An ATG, was arguably elite? Please tell me you're joking?

Calzaghe was ducked by all the top fighters. Who could he face? Give the time and date where Joe could have fought others?

Name that 6 years period where he supposedly didn't go beyond Euro level?

Around 2000 up until about beginning of 2006. Look who he fought in those years...

Lets be honest, Woodhall held a title but he wasn't truly world class. Sheika, Veit etc were not really world class, they were as euro level as it gets. Americans like Brewer were their equivalent of about euro level. Tocker Pudwill

joe is actually one of my all time favourite fighters and I believe he arguably beats everyone in his era but we also have to be honest and admit he'd spent years at a time fighting opponents far below his level.

You can be a fan of someone without being deluded.

He was excellent fighter with a resume that should've been a lot better.

[BlackRobb]

Lipsey was an undefeated prospect? He was a nobody. Veit actually beat an undefeated Braehmer and was undefeated himself. Joe beat Starie who beat an undefeated Clinton Woods. That's vastly superior to the rubbish you're putting through. Yet, i didn't name either. You're going beyond clutching at straws.

McCallum WAS a quality fighter. But he was shot to pieces when Roy faced him. Roy was like a prime opponent when he fought Joe compared to when McCallum fought Roy. The others were shot too or juts shlt. behave yourself.

Clinton Woods!

McCallum was an ATG. His resume at 154 and 160 attests to that fact. Only an idiot would refer to him as "a quality fighter". Yes, he was well past it when he fought Jones, but unlike Slappy Joe, he didn't wait until the very tail end of his career to move up in weight. Why was Slappy Joe at 168 his whole career? Tell me. Because he was a coward b***h.

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Around 2000 up until about beginning of 2006. Look who he fought in those years...

Lets be honest, Woodhall held a title but he wasn't truly world class. Sheika, Veit etc were not really world class, they were as euro level as it gets. Americans like Brewer were their equivalent of about euro level. Tocker Pudwill

joe is actually one of my all time favourite fighters and I believe he arguably beats everyone in his era but we also have to be honest and admit he'd spent years at a time fighting opponents far below his level.

You can be a fan of someone without being deluded.

He was excellent fighter with a resume that should've been a lot better.

Calzaghe could only face those who were willing to face him. It wasn't his fault. He wanted to unify much earlier than he did and face the best. But hey, what could he do. But he was definitely elite. Same with Froch. There's not such thing as an ATG who isn't.

But regarding who Calzaghe fought in that period, there's world class fighters there. There's Woodhall who was definitely world class. He had wins over Branco, Nardiello, Catley and Malinga. Sheika who had a win over Glen Johnson. Byron Mitchell who had wins over Liles, Siaca x2 and Green. And of course, you have Lacy and Bika.

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Clinton Woods!

McCallum was an ATG. His resume at 154 and 160 attests to that fact. Only an idiot would refer to him as "a quality fighter". Yes, he was well past it when he fought Jones, but unlike Slappy Joe, he didn't wait until the very tail end of his career to move up in weight. Why was Slappy Joe at 168 his whole career? Tell me. Because he was a coward b***h.

Yes, Clinton Woods. You know, the guy who beat Gonzales twice and Glen Johnson? He was an actual world class fighter who picked up a world title. You can't say the same for the jokes you put for Jones and Hopkins. They were either shot or just complete bums.

I don't care if McCallum WAS an ATG. The facts are, he was so shot and stiff at that weight it was ridiculous. Watching him being that bad wasn't a good look. Jones was in his prime too which made it even worse for him. It would be like claiming the win over Tyson for that bum McBride. It was that bad. It meant nothing.

Joe didn't wait for anyone. He wanted the fights. It's why you couldn't name anyone who was willing to face him and give a date and details. Joe was the one who was ducked. Those two were in fact the duckers. Repeatedly. Especially Jones. They're the facts with all the evidence to support it. You have nothing but your imagination.

Why would Joe go up to a dead division if Jones wasn't willing to face him? That would mean not getting the fights against Lacy and Kessler at 168. Don't be ******. Why, who would he fight?

[BlackRobb]

Yes, Clinton Woods. You know, the guy who beat Gonzales twice and Glen Johnson? He was an actual world class fighter who picked up a world title. You can't say the same for the jokes you put for Jones and Hopkins. They were either shot or just complete bums.

I don't care if McCallum WAS an ATG. The facts are, he was so shot and stiff at that weight it was ridiculous. Watching him being that bad wasn't a good look. Jones was in his prime too which made it even worse for him. It would be like claiming the win over Tyson for that bum McBride. It was that bad. It meant nothing.

Joe didn't wait for anyone. He wanted the fights. It's why you couldn't name anyone who was willing to face him and give a date and details. Joe was the one who was ducked. Those two were in fact the duckers. Repeatedly. Especially Jones. They're the facts with all the evidence to support it. You have nothing but your imagination.

Why would Joe go up to a dead division if Jones wasn't willing to face him? That would mean not getting the fights against Lacy and Kessler at 168. Don't be ******. Why, who would he fight?

Slappy Joe was a fkn COWARD who was content fighting Euro BUMS. Joe would rather swim to Malta in his drawers than fight a prime Roy Jones. A prime Roy beats Slappy Joe just as easily as he beat Hopkins and Toney.

Clinton Woods was a stiff. You cite wins over Glen Johnson with pride. Glen was a high-end journeyman who happened to put in some great performances against a faded Roy and Tarver. And you lied again. Woods went 1-1-1 with Johnson. All of those three fights were in England, which basically means he lost three times to Johnson. Roy knocked Woods cold. He also lost wide to Cloud and Tarver.

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Slappy Joe was a fkn COWARD who was content fighting Euro BUMS. Joe would rather swim to Malta in his drawers than fight a prime Roy Jones. A prime Roy beats Slappy Joe just as easily as he beat Hopkins and Toney.

Clinton Woods was a stiff. You cite wins over Glen Johnson with pride. Glen was a high-end journeyman who happened to put in some great performances against a faded Roy and Tarver. And you lied again. Woods went 1-1-1 with Johnson. All of those three fights were in England, which basically means he lost three times to Johnson. Roy knocked Woods cold. He also lost wide to Cloud and Tarver.

Jones ducked Joe you idiot. Joe wanted to fight him but Jones didn't want it. Jones was discussing the fight at the time Joe fought Woodhall but he pulled out of negotiations. Roy was called "Reluctant Roy" by his own backers in HBO for a reason. He ducked all the top fighters and cherry picked instead. I don't care for your delusions.

Glen proved himself a world class fighter. You beat world class fighters, you become one. It's quite simple. But if you think losing to others make you a nobody, then Jones, Tarver, Hopkins etc etc are nobodies. So quite the fallacy for you there. But i don't expect anything less.

How could i be lying in saying Woods beat Johnson when he very much did? Having 3 fights with a draw and a loss in 2 of them doesn't disprove what i said nor does it mean i'm lying. ******.

We're not the US where we rip everyone off. They were legit scores. Unless you can tell me which rounds you had for Johnson in the draw and loss for him and go over it? Yeah, just as i thought.

Lastly, at the point Woods fought Jones, he was going to retire as he complained of always feeling sluggish. His doctor diagnosed an iron deficiency. Once he got that sorted out, he became a much better fighter. But not only that, Jones didn't come close to knocking him out cold. Woods was on his feet at the time of stoppage. It's your brain that is cold. Sit down, warm it up.

[BlackRobb]

Jones ducked Joe you idiot. Joe wanted to fight him but Jones didn't want it. Jones was discussing the fight at the time Joe fought Woodhall but he pulled out of negotiations. Roy was called "Reluctant Roy" by his own backers in HBO for a reason. He ducked all the top fighters and cherry picked instead. I don't care for your delusions.

Glen proved himself a world class fighter. You beat world class fighters, you become one. It's quite simple. But if you think losing to others make you a nobody, then Jones, Tarver, Hopkins etc etc are nobodies. So quite the fallacy for you there. But i don't expect anything less.

How could i be lying in saying Woods beat Johnson when he very much did? Having 3 fights with a draw and a loss in 2 of them doesn't disprove what i said nor does it mean i'm lying. ******.

We're not the US where we rip everyone off. They were legit scores. Unless you can tell me which rounds you had for Johnson in the draw and loss for him and go over it? Yeah, just as i thought.

Lastly, at the point Woods fought Jones, he was going to retire as he complained of always feeling sluggish. His doctor diagnosed an iron deficiency. Once he got that sorted out, he became a much better fighter. But not only that, Jones didn't come close to knocking him out cold. Woods was on his feet at the time of stoppage. It's your brain that is cold. Sit down, warm it up.

Moron, you said Woods beat Johnson three times. Put the Fentanyl down and go back and read what you wrote. They went 1-1-1 and all of those fights were in the UK, which means Johnson won all three.

Roy beat the crap out of Wood for six rounds and was well on his way to putting him on a highlight reel when the ref stepped in.

I remember Glen Johnson. He's the guy Slappy Joe ducked twice.

The WBO was not even regarded as a legit belt in the late 90s. Slappy Joe picked it up only after Stevie Collins retired. Slappy has no credibility to make demands and refused to come to America, basically ducking Roy and guys like Frankie Lyles. Slappy played it safe in the UK. Roy wasn't going to the UK or any foreign country because he remembered how he got screwed by the judges in South Korea. You dullard.