Comments Thread For: Froch Has No Recollection Of Career-Changing Victory Over Taylor

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The version of Joe that edged Hopkins and thrashed 94 year old Roy was not quite shot. He wasn't vintage Slappy Joe like the Lacy version, but he was not shot.

Kessler fought timidly that night, nothing like the version that fought Froch twice.

Oh Joe wasn't shot. That wasn't the point though. You said both Hopkins and Jones were "Old" when they were dropped. I just pointed out 2 of the 4 KD's over Joe's career were in his last 2 fights when he was "Old". Considering you were using it as an excuse.

Joe wasn't even at his best against Lacy either. It was a better version than the one who fought Hopkins and Jones. But still past his best.

Kessler couldn't deal with Joe's timing, skills and pace. Froch is more available if you like. That's why he could hit Froch more. But i thought that was obvious.

Have you had a look at Hopkins' opponents before fighting Joe? Mostly grim, aren't they? Not as grim as Jones' were. But still grim.

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Oh Joe wasn't shot. That wasn't the point though. You said both Hopkins and Jones were "Old" when they were dropped. I just pointed out 2 of the 4 KD's over Joe's career were in his last 2 fights when he was "Old". Considering you were using it as an excuse.

Joe wasn't even at his best against Lacy either. It was a better version than the one who fought Hopkins and Jones. But still past his best.

Kessler couldn't deal with Joe's timing, skills and pace. Froch is more available if you like. That's why he could hit Froch more. But i thought that was obvious.

Have you had a look at Hopkins' opponents before fighting Joe? Mostly grim, aren't they? Not as grim as Jones' were. But still grim.

Hopkins and Roy didn't wait until their 40th fight to start fighting live bodies, though. Joe fought Mario Veit twice. He stopped him the first time, then fought him again a few years later to stop him again and pad his record. Joe's resume has more padding than a Dolly Parton bra.

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Can't you two be content with having run Kannabis Kid off the board and bury the hatchet?

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Hopkins and Roy didn't wait until their 40th fight to start fighting live bodies, though. Joe fought Mario Veit twice. He stopped him the first time, then fought him again a few years later to stop him again and pad his record. Joe's resume has more padding than a Dolly Parton bra.

Why don't you tell me who both Jones and Hopkins fought at the top level and the number of fights they'd both had?

I've already told you. Calzaghe had to fight Veit both times as he was the mandatory. But why don't you tell me why Hopkins fought Allen 3 times, and Echols twice? That's much worse.

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Why don't you tell me who both Jones and Hopkins fought at the top level and the number of fights they'd both had?

I've already told you. Calzaghe had to fight Veit both times as he was the mandatory. But why don't you tell me why Hopkins fought Allen 3 times, and Echols twice? That's much worse.

Hopkins: Segundo Mercado, Joe Lipsey, Simon Brown, Roy Jones, Tito Trinidad, Keith Holmes, Daniels, Glen Johnson, John David Jackson

Roy Jones: Bernard Hopkins, Thomas Tate, Montell Griffin, Glen Johnson, James Toney, Mike McCallum, Virgil Hill, Lou Del Valle

Please don't compare Slappy Joe's resume to theirs. You are embarrassing yourself.

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Hopkins: Segundo Mercado, Joe Lipsey, Simon Brown, Roy Jones, Tito Trinidad, Keith Holmes, Daniels, Glen Johnson, John David Jackson

Roy Jones: Bernard Hopkins, Thomas Tate, Montell Griffin, Glen Johnson, James Toney, Mike McCallum, Virgil Hill, Lou Del Valle

Please don't compare Slappy Joe's resume to theirs. You are embarrassing yourself.

Hahahahahaha. Did you just say these are top level?

Mercado? Shut up. Lipsey? What? Brown was shot. Jones hadn't even beaten a world class fighter by the point he fought Hopkins. Neither had Hopkins. How could that be at the top level at that point? Daniels was shot. Johnson didn't beat a world level fighter until he went to LH years later. Jackson was shot and coming off a loss.

Johnson dominated and knocked Jones out. You do actually have to win the fight. Anyone can lose. McCallum was shot to pieces. A statue had more moves by this point. It was sad to see. Toney was struggling to lose weight by this point. Why do you think Toney was the only big name fighter Roy went after in his career? Del Valle was a bum, just like most of the names you put. Who did he even beat? Charles Martin has more credibility, and he's a joke.

Compare that to Reid, Woodhall, Sheika, Eubank, Mitchell and Brewer. And this is Calzaghe being ducked whereas Jones and Hopkins weren't. They were the ones doing the ducking.

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Hopkins: Segundo Mercado, Joe Lipsey, Simon Brown, Roy Jones, Tito Trinidad, Keith Holmes, Daniels, Glen Johnson, John David Jackson

Roy Jones: Bernard Hopkins, Thomas Tate, Montell Griffin, Glen Johnson, James Toney, Mike McCallum, Virgil Hill, Lou Del Valle

Please don't compare Slappy Joe's resume to theirs. You are embarrassing yourself.

You didn't answer on why Hopkins fought Allen 3 times and Echols twice?

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You didn't answer on why Hopkins fought Allen 3 times and Echols twice?

Maybe because he fought Allen twice, not three times. Hopkins was thrown from the ring in the first fight resulting in a NC, as I recall.

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Maybe because he fought Allen twice, not three times. Hopkins was thrown from the ring in the first fight resulting in a NC, as I recall.

So Hopkins did in fact fight Allen 3 times then? If he gets in the ring with Allen on 3 separate occasions, then he fought him 3 times. Haha.

Nothing on the laughable names you put down? I mean, Lipsey, Daniels, Jackson, Del Valle, McCallum etc etc? Maybe list who they beat and tell me if they're prime or near prime. Most of them were actually shot or just straight bums.

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So Hopkins did in fact fight Allen 3 times then? If he gets in the ring with Allen on 3 separate occasions, then he fought him 3 times. Haha.

Nothing on the laughable names you put down? I mean, Lipsey, Daniels, Jackson, Del Valle, McCallum etc etc? Maybe list who they beat and tell me if they're prime or near prime. Most of them were actually shot or just straight bums.

Lipsey was an undefeated prospect when Hopkins beat him. Mike McCallum was a bum? Was Mike a bum when he went to the UK and whooped Herrol Graham, Stevie Collins and Michael Watson. I agree Mike was a bit past it when he fought Jones, but than is in the HOF.

Hopkins and Roy clearly have superior resumes to Slappy Joe. It's not even close.