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They really did Nngannou dirty with the sound effects lolMr WorldWide likes this.
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Originally posted by Roadblock View Post
A big difference here is your talking out of a book, Im talking from doing it, A wolf pup taken out of Alaska and raised in the Sahara desert will have a short coat, in 3 generations they will slick if thats what you want to select for in your breeders, you shouldn't talk about knowing how DNA is passed on because that don't mean nothing, why don't you me tell me how traits, type and temperament is passed on as that means something in the real world of breeding.
Do you know what prepotency is, how is prepotency built genetically, do you know what inbreeding does, did all species begin from just two, if so how much inbreeding do you think went on? how about mutations do you know how they work in the adaption of a species.
Natural selection, its not some special magic formula, its phenotype and genotype being tested by the environment in its ability to survive and procreate, and even then the high ranking survivors fight it out to see who has the best genetics for the next generation, Nature is not fancy she is hard and fast, if something is weak in any way it doesn't survive and is culled by Nature , she is ruthless in the wild, Nature kills the weak, that is what is referred to as Natural selection and survival of the fittest, understand whats being said before you start hanging on terminology.
Now if you select for the race track you are selecting body type for speed like Nature would a cheetah if it has physical faults it wont run fast and is culled out, then we look at temperament and high prey drive just like Nature would need in her catch and kill predators, these are the same principles of Natural selection, the best breeders of performance animals operate very close to nature including using inbreeding to set the type they also cull hard just like in Nature, once you set the phenotype you then work on temperaments and drives from a family of animals bred around the original crosses which then form the genotype, just like Nature did in her beginning with just two, and inbreeding creating subfamilies of the same species that expanded there environment, the wild is driven by the will to survive, that is the only test Nature needs to have in place.
I fully understand Natural selection and how it behaves in terms of breeding to create the next generation, you think the slow Lions that cant catch anything are breeders, this is Natural selection at work he is thrown out the pride to scavenge or die but he ain't bred, just as a smart man doesn't breed a slow greyhound or one carrying physical faults if he wants to catch something, there is also elements of DNA that sit dormant because the triggers to turn it on is not present, the long coat when its cold and short when its hot is a form of this called epigenetcs, then when you get through that we start looking at the immune systems and how Nature inbred so tightly yet built robust immune systems, and if you study the long term creation of performance breeds one can see how she did it, performance breeds of animals are tested in head to head completion to find the best breeders , instead of Nature doing it man is playing the role Nature and doing the selections for the environment they are to compete in just as Nature would do it.
Survival of the fittest really means survival of the best adapted. The sloth being an excellent example of this.
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Originally posted by Quercusalba View Post
If you insist on demonstrating your complete misunderstanding of natural selection, I'll keep pointing it out. Breeders don't mimic natural selection. They do the opposite. They make animals that don't exist naturally because nature either selected against the desired traits or didn't select for the desired traits. Nothing like a greyhound exists in the wild because nature didn't select for its unique traits. Canids have been around for a few million years and in that span of time nothing like a greyhound or a pug or a boxer or a saluki evolved. In creating these breeds humans have done what nature did not intend. Take Spanish fighting bulls. Nature did not create the bull, nature creature the much larger aurochs. The bull is the the aurochs as nature did not intend it. Man is not playing the role of nature. Man is playing the role of man.
Survival of the fittest really means survival of the best adapted. The sloth being an excellent example of this.
I'll dumb it down even more for you. Natural selection is Nature's best survivors mating to create the next generation. There is no argument to that, no matter how complicated you try to make it, at its core it is exactly as I've described.
The principles of Nature is the very same principles that breeders use in creating new breeds. read that again slowly, in creating better performance in everything from producing more milk to running a sprint race to tracking scent, the PRINCIPLES used in selecting breeders are the same as used in the wild, best to best, you have tests the animal must pass and then its genes are used to influence the next generation, its not hard to understand I don't know why you have so much problem with it.
You are missing the point of the process harping on the term "Natural selection" like its the only thing said and totally ignoring the methods of what is actually comprised in the process over time. I'm not talking about Nature making a Giraffe; I'm talking about how selection created the long neck. Im not talking about Nature made a Lion Im talking about how she culled it because it had faults where it could not survive, Adaption to an opposing force is at the heart of Natural selection, and in Nature that force is the environment, man can create an environment that animals must adapt to, same principles are at play in selecting the best breeders, you test them for the traits and type required for that environment, to say it doesn't work this way is you not knowing what your talking about.
I will repeat it again breeders of performance livestock DO follow the RULES that Natural selection follows, you don't understand the methods of breeding for a purpose so how can you say they don't follow Nature when you have no experience what so ever, you bypass everything said to you to hang on the term Natural Selection like its a button, its a long process of testing genetics to build the best survivers, its not a yes-no, its not a one-off, its a continued process, with dogs man has sped up that process by utilizing selections and mutations, as Nature uses a mutation to evolve if the mutation is beneficial to survival, if its not the mutation is culled out.
Ive asked you many questions along the way and you cannot answer a single question, if you want to debate answer some questions put to you.
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Originally posted by Roadblock View Post
I think you don't understand what is being said and getting more left-field with each post, the entire subject was based around selecting genetics and muscle types, I described how that is done based around the process of Natural selection, and off you went with saying you cannot compare dogs to man genetically well that's so wrong you don't even know how far wrong you are.
I'll dumb it down even more for you. Natural selection is Nature's best survivors mating to create the next generation. There is no argument to that, no matter how complicated you try to make it, at its core it is exactly as I've described.
The principles of Nature is the very same principles that breeders use in creating new breeds. read that again slowly, in creating better performance in everything from producing more milk to running a sprint race to tracking scent, the PRINCIPLES used in selecting breeders are the same as used in the wild, best to best, you have tests the animal must pass and then its genes are used to influence the next generation, its not hard to understand I don't know why you have so much problem with it.
You are missing the point of the process harping on the term "Natural selection" like its the only thing said and totally ignoring the methods of what is actually comprised in the process over time. I'm not talking about Nature making a Giraffe; I'm talking about how selection created the long neck. Im not talking about Nature made a Lion Im talking about how she culled it because it had faults where it could not survive, Adaption to an opposing force is at the heart of Natural selection, and in Nature that force is the environment, man can create an environment that animals must adapt to, same principles are at play in selecting the best breeders, you test them for the traits and type required for that environment, to say it doesn't work this way is you not knowing what your talking about.
I will repeat it again breeders of performance livestock DO follow the RULES that Natural selection follows, you don't understand the methods of breeding for a purpose so how can you say they don't follow Nature when you have no experience what so ever, you bypass everything said to you to hang on the term Natural Selection like its a button, its a long process of testing genetics to build the best survivers, its not a yes-no, its not a one-off, its a continued process, with dogs man has sped up that process by utilizing selections and mutations, as Nature uses a mutation to evolve if the mutation is beneficial to survival, if its not the mutation is culled out.
Ive asked you many questions along the way and you cannot answer a single question, if you want to debate answer some questions put to you.
The point is if it is being selected for by man for his purposes, it isn't natural. It is artificial. This is textbook.
Here, from Cal-Berkeley...
Artificial selection
Long before Darwin and Wallace, people were using selection to change the features of plants and animals. Farmers and breeders allowed only the plants and animals with desirable characteristics to reproduce, causing the evolution of farm stock. This process is called artificial selection because people (instead of nature) select which organisms get to reproduce.
There you have it. Textbook. What nature is doing and what you are doing, though they follow the same principle of passing along genetic material, are defined academically as different.
Now, if you want to make the argument that humans are of the natural world and therefore all that flows from us is by necessity natural, go for it.
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Man, that was totally like being ringside at the fight. I’ve been to low-level cards where I had ringside seats; it was just like that. AJ looked completely in control — confident but not reckless. That last shot would’ve felled an elephant.
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Originally posted by Quercusalba View Post
The point is if it is being selected for by man for his purposes, it isn't natural. It is artificial. This is textbook.
Here, from Cal-Berkeley...
Artificial selection
Long before Darwin and Wallace, people were using selection to change the features of plants and animals. Farmers and breeders allowed only the plants and animals with desirable characteristics to reproduce, causing the evolution of farm stock. This process is called artificial selection because people (instead of nature) select which organisms get to reproduce.
There you have it. Textbook. What nature is doing and what you are doing, though they follow the same principle of passing along genetic material, are defined academically as different.
Now, if you want to make the argument that humans are of the natural world and therefore all that flows from us is by necessity natural, go for it.
Natural selection is not a item it is a process that follows the rules of the universe, breeders of performance animals follow the very same rules in producing better performance just as Nature uses her tests to produce better performing survivors, the only difference is Nature hovers around average of the gene pool which is why it takes so long for change, performance breeders hover around the elite of the gene pool, which is why Man can speed adaption up so fast.
I cant spell this sht out any more basic for you, you are not trying to debate or dispute anything Ive said to you, you cannot answer anything put to you, all you are doing is acting all nerdy trying to prove a mute point, I don't know if its because of comprehension but I suspect that as you answered my last post in a few minutes absorbing nothing that was said.
The point is Natural selection is a PROCESS, and performance breeders follow that PROCESS, let that soak in.
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Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC View PostMan, that was totally like being ringside at the fight. I’ve been to low-level cards where I had ringside seats; it was just like that. AJ looked completely in control — confident but not reckless. That last shot would’ve felled an elephant.CubanGuyNYC likes this.
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Damn...AJ put everything into that shot. And that's as good as it gets!!!
As for natural selection. Its evolution in action. That's the process.
Artificial selection can be de-evolution if the organisms can't survive in the wild because your selecting against nature left to its own devices.
If the human effected organism can survive in a natural environment devoid of human assistance, i suppose you could call it re-evolution.Mr WorldWide likes this.
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