Canelo Alvarez vs Carlos Monzon at 160, who would win?

[Malvado]

He can't outwork Monzon, and same day weight in. He threw a bunch of punches and was very accurate.

Yeah I can believe that, Monzon didn't have next day rehydration, yet still went 15 rounds without gassing. Canelo does and after 6-7 rounds he tires.

I don't question Monzon's precision and output, I wonder if his shots won't get negated to a degree by Canelo and if Carlos has a good inside game (both defensively and offensively) in case it becomes a phone booth fight. Monzon is a great fighter overall, what he does well he does phenomenally, but I don't know if he has noticeable drawbacks which can be taken advantage of by well more rounded fighters like Canelo whose only disadvantages are his output/gas tank.

Also take in mind that Alvarez has proven to negate Plant's and Jacob's long punch jabs/combinations. Not saying they are as good as Monzon, just that he know how to handle his style.

To be fair though I have to see more on Monzon, Is there any fights you suggest I should watch?

[garfios]

Monzon never really fought anyone near their better years, Emile had 76 fights , Naploes gave him a lot of weight and was a WW having something like 80 fights, I remember the Monzon time because my ol man was a fan of Tony Mundine, I remember gathering around a B/W tv watching Mundine beat Griffith in Paris and the ol man skipping around like a kid lol, and Tony was a glass jaw guy, he could box his ass of but if you clipped him it was like Khan.

I would actually take a number of the top modern MWs to beat Monzon he was just to slow for modern great fighters, he was fabricated by fighting at times monthly knocking over loads of nobodys, dig into his resume and its all there.

I saw him figh and yes he fought a lot of bums of the month, but Griffith was 33 yo when he fought Monzon, Rocky was a bull and a heck of fighter too and in his prime too, just like Briscoe, those loses are deceiving they have a bunch of fights against each other. By the way Monzon had 85 fights at the time he fought Emile. He fought in the 70's not in the 1900's. I'll put my money on him against any current MW, especially if is against canelo.

[garfios]

Yeah I can believe that, Monzon didn't have next day rehydration, yet still went 15 rounds without gassing. Canelo does and after 6-7 rounds he tires.

I don't question Monzon's precision and output, I wonder if his shots won't get negated to a degree by Canelo and if Carlos has a good inside game (both defensively and offensively) in case it becomes a phone booth fight. Monzon is a great fighter overall, what he does well he does phenomenally, but I don't know if he has noticeable drawbacks which can be taken advantage of by well more rounded fighters like Canelo whose only disadvantages are his output/gas tank.

Also take in mind that Alvarez has proven to negate Plant's and Jacob's long punch jabs/combinations. Not saying they are as good as Monzon, just that he know how to handle his style.

To be fair though I have to see more on Monzon, Is there any fights you suggest I should watch?

Monzon will hit you in the inside and from the outside, and was a dog. Imo his victories against Briscoe and Rocky trumps any of canelos wins, and to mention Griffith that gave him hell at 33 yo, same age canelo has today.

[STREET CLEANER]

Hard to tell because Canelo would had ducked him like he is doing with Benavidez.

[GhostofDempsey]

Monzon kept his opponents on the outside of his long reach. He also had great stamina. If he can keep Canelo on the outside he wins by UD. Monzon had a tendency to keep his hands low, especially after throwing a combo. He would have to tighten that up against Canelo.

[Malvado]

Monzon will hit you in the inside and from the outside, and was a dog. Imo his victories against Briscoe and Rocky trumps any of canelos wins, and to mention Griffith that gave him hell at 33 yo, same age canelo has today.

They seem to have hold solid records while fighting Monzon, their losses in their records seem to be deceiving. Will check out their fights. Monzon vs Griffith, Briscoe and Valdez I mean

Emile Griffith (at 70-11) (they also had a draw early on):



Bennie Briscoe (at 43-10-1)


Rodrigo Valdez X2 (57-4-2) (59-5-2).
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[garfios]

They seem to have hold solid records while fighting Monzon, their losses in their records seem to be deceiving. Will check out their fights. Monzon vs Griffith, Briscoe and Valdez I mean

Emile Griffith (at 70-11) (they also had a draw early on):



Bennie Briscoe (at 43-10-1)


Rodrigo Valdez X2 (57-4-2) (59-5-2).
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And check the boxers Emile, Rocky and Briscoe fought, not named Monzon.

[Roadblock]

I saw him figh and yes he fought a lot of bums of the month, but Griffith was 33 yo when he fought Monzon, Rocky was a bull and a heck of fighter too and in his prime too, just like Briscoe, those loses are deceiving they have a bunch of fights against each other. By the way Monzon had 85 fights at the time he fought Emile. He fought in the 70's not in the 1900's. I'll put my money on him against any current MW, especially if is against canelo.

And what you described is a product of that era , every era has weight divisions that are ordinary, MW during Monzons time was not murderers row, it had a lot of tough guys that fought lots of cans which was common, this is why in those days they had so many fights, you cant fight the elite more than say 2 or 3 a year, in those days they were all stadium fights so nobody cared much about the quality so long as somebody got stiffened it was not scrutinized like it is today, you couldn't fight 70 or more cans today and be talked about as a great, today people look back like they are better than what they really were, I don't think any from that particular era of MWs would hang with the best modern-day guys, but that's just opinion it doesn't mean anything, they were tough hard men that fought it out, I just feel the class is better now and its not so easy for good fighters to get some shine which kinda leaves some great fighters lost in the crowd as the level between the best is separated by fractions.

Look at the rep building on Matias, he hasn't fought anybody and getting into that position where he must prove himself against the best guys inside the next 3 fights, he has only had 20 or so fights, how could he stall it for another 50 fights today before fighting the very best, the times are different, a fast hard puncher like Morrel that's over 6ft could possibly take Monzon out in under 5 rounds, most of the old fighters were grinders where today its very much about sustaining intensity and explosive power, The game is different, the athlete is different.

[FinitoxDinamita]

If my life depended on it, id go with Canelo. Monzon is kind of overrated. That slow, flat footed style of his is just perfect for Canelo.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Monzon was a career middleweight. Canelo has had like 4 fights at that weight. Not really a logical comparisson. That is like prediciting Canelo against Hagler.