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  • Doctor_Tenma
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    #21
    Originally posted by !! Shawn
    Here is why you are wrong. Mosley best weight by far was 135. It was his strongest weight, the proper size for him, his fastest weight, his hardest hitting weight, to say well... I can consider him in a p4p sense, but I can't consider him as a 135lber is absurd. If you cannot legitimately rank one 135lb above another 135lb p4p, you cannot rank that 135lb above the other 135lber at 135lb either.
    So if Shane Mosley > JLC p4p
    Then JLC > Shane Mosley at 135lb doesn't make sense, since 135lb was Shane's best weight and you regard him as p4p better.

    I know you are not ******, and I know you are not blind. Can you honestly tell me that JLC would have stood any chance of beating that 135lb phenom known as Sugar Shane Mosley? If the answer is no, you cannot rate JLC above Shane Mosley.
    I think Pernell Whitaker would have beaten Duran @ 135. Does that also mean Whitaker's resume is better then Duran's at 135?

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    • Bhopreign
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      #22
      Guess Floyd didnt make the cut.

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      • Doctor_Tenma
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        #23
        Originally posted by Bhopreign
        Guess Floyd didnt make the cut.
        It said, "To be continued", list ain't done. He might not be on it though.

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        • !! Shawn
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          #24
          Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
          I think Pernell Whitaker would have beaten Duran @ 135. Does that also mean Whitaker's resume is better then Duran's at 135?
          Like I said, if it was about Resume, This should be titled, the most accomplished 135lbers all time, not the best, because best infers skill.

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          • crold1
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            #25
            Originally posted by !! Shawn
            Here is why you are wrong. Mosley best weight by far was 135. It was his strongest weight, the proper size for him, his fastest weight, his hardest hitting weight, to say well... I can consider him in a p4p sense, but I can't consider him as a 135lber is absurd. If you cannot legitimately rank one 135lb above another 135lb p4p, you cannot rank that 135lb above the other 135lber at 135lb either.
            So if Shane Mosley > JLC p4p
            Then JLC > Shane Mosley at 135lb doesn't make sense, since 135lb was Shane's best weight and you regard him as p4p better.

            I know you are not ******, and I know you are not blind. Can you honestly tell me that JLC would have stood any chance of beating that 135lb phenom known as Sugar Shane Mosley? If the answer is no, you cannot rate JLC above Shane Mosley.
            Yes, he could have. It would have been a great fight. And Castillo faced, and beat, significantly better fighters at Lightweight. And your P4P argument is wrong. Most would rate Joe Walcott a better fighter, overall, P4P, than Lavigne...but Lavigne was a better Lightweight and beat him twice to prove it. If Mosley retires after his Lightweight run is done, and there was a P4P rating, Castillo wins. You need a bunch of stuff way outside Lightweight to move Shane past him.

            Shane Mosley might, slightly, outflank Castillo overall because he was also an excellent Welterweight. Has nothing to do with whether he was better at Lightweight. Maybe he was...but he doesn't have the scalps to prove it there. This is Roy Jones fan thinking: I know he could have, so I'll pretend he did.

            If the resumes were close, I could see favoring the 'skill.' They are not.
            Last edited by crold1; 10-10-2009, 03:22 PM.

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            • -Antonio-
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              #26
              I can only go by stats because I've only seen a handful of Mosley's fights at 135 and they were against no hopers. Boxrec tells me he faced sub par competition at 135. I know that doesn't carry a ton of weight, just saying, his level of competition was not on the level of Castillo's whether he looked amazing defeating it or not.

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              • crold1
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                #27
                Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
                It said, "To be continued", list ain't done. He might not be on it though.
                No he won't. Too short a tenure and only one clean win worth noting.

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                • Doctor_Tenma
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by !! Shawn
                  Like I said, if it was about Resume, This should be titled, the most accomplished 135lbers all time, not the best, because best infers skill.
                  In Boxing, the best is the more accomplished. You can say Shane would have beaten JLC @ 135 but JLC was still the more accomplished @ that weight out of the 2. So Shane couldn't possibly be ranked above JLC on this list.
                  Last edited by Doctor_Tenma; 10-10-2009, 03:21 PM.

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                  • -Antonio-
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Dominicano Soy!
                    It said, "To be continued", list ain't done. He might not be on it though.
                    Well off the top of my head we can count on Sweet Pea, Ortiz, Duran, Leonard and maybe Ike Williams.

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                    • crold1
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by -Antonio-
                      Well off the top of my head we can count on Sweet Pea, Ortiz, Duran, Leonard and maybe Ike Williams.
                      The article starts with who ain't on it and why.

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