The Top 25 Lightweights of All-Time – 11 to 25

[!! Shawn]

On what planet did he beat Leija more impressively than Oscar did?

I know you don't value a quick KO as the only measure of impressiveness. So Shane doesn't hit as hard as Oscar does... tell me something I don't know.

[TheGreatA]

You don't spend 7 years at the same weight because you are weight drained, and you also don't jump two weight classes because you are weight drained.

If Shane stopped lifting weights, I would be willing to bet money that even at this age, his body would settle around 140lb. We are talking about a guy who has to lift weights, just to keep up his size to stay at welterweight.

He came in as a light middleweight to his lightweight fights, that'll take a toll on your body.

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[!! Shawn]

I remember reading somehwere that Shane could only be 135 for a couple of hours.

Thats the same for everyone that fights at 135lb. They don't walk in the ring at 135lb, but its not a struggle for them to make the weight.

Thats the thing about day before weigh-ins. You are only on weight for all of 10 min, after that you start drinking and eating to get ready for the next day.

There are no examples of Mosley failing to make weight, or coming in over weight, and having to boil down at the last min. Infact quite the opposite. In his last 4 fights at 135lb, Mosley weighted.

134
134
135
134 3/4

Thats not a fighter struggling to make the weight at all.

[!! Shawn]

He came in as a light middleweight to his lightweight fights, that'll take a toll on your body.

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Soo... Shane had a sparring partner who told him that he was faster and stronger at 147, even though all evidence proves otherwise? He fought he entire amateur career at 140lb. And?

I fight at 140lb, because we have to weigh-in the day of. If we weighed in the day before like in the pro's, I could make 135, or perhaps even 130.

Making weight is NEVER easy, make no mistake about that. But to say Mosley was not a natural lightweight is contrary everything we know about fighters, and their build.

You will also never hear a fighter say... yeah... I realize I am a little small for this weight, but I moved up for the money. They ALL say.... "I feel stronger at this weights, and faster, and I hit harderd"... every single one of them... even Juan Manuel Marquez.

What really speaks is evidence in the form of video. We can see with our eyes that Shane was much quicker at 135, much stronger, and packed a bigger punch.

[crold1]

As I said, 5 years. After which point, he fought above the welterweight limit for the vast majority of his fights, only boiling down for a defense of the title. That does not qualify as welterweight any more than Bernard Hopkins making welterweights come up in weight to fight him qualifies him as a welterweight.

I am not knocking SRR, I am just pointing out the inconsistent, and unfair way in which you are rating fighters.

Shane didn't have that option. In this day and age, when you move up to fight more than once in another weight class, the organizations find a way to strip you of your belts.

But you seem to rate SRR acomplishments when he was a middleweight picking on WW's the same as when he was a WW fighting WW, yet you don't give Shane credit for being a lightweight picking on welterweights. By that same logic, Oscar doesn't get credit at 135lb from you because he wasn't a real 135lb.

You see what I am saying? If you are going to go by resume, do it in an objective way with a mathematical formula, like Boxrec does. If you do it any other way, you are factoring in skill, and when you factor in skill, you can't take away from a guy how he proves his skill, you just have to admit that its there, and rate accordingly.

What is fair is to judge a fighters natural size, and add all their accomplishments onto that.

Mosley is a natural 135

Oscar is a natural 154

Locche was a natural 140.

Its unfair to penalize guys because they jumped weights for big fights, instead of spending their whole career in one place, especially in a day and age where you are expected to move up in weight.

Your SRR argument is ******. Period. Sorry. Look at who he beat in those five years, add Gavilan in defense of the title when fighters weighed in the day of the fight...GTFO.

What you're asking me to do for Shane I did. If anyone has noticed, by allowing for more subjectivity in the last couple of these original eight lists, I've used the 25 spot as a sort of wild card for quality, more modern fighters whose resumes were otherwise not meriting a spot on the list. That's how Mosley sneaks on. He's barely there as it is.

[!! Shawn]

He came in as a light middleweight to his lightweight fights, that'll take a toll on your body.

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I honestly don't believe he came in at 154 as a 135lber. He was more than likely walking in the ring at 142-144lb, just like most of the 135lbers today.

[TheGreatA]

Soo... Shane had a sparring partner who told him that he was faster and stronger at 147, even though all evidence proves otherwise? He fought he entire amateur career at 140lb. And?

I fight at 140lb, because we have to weigh-in the day of. If we weighed in the day before like in the pro's, I could make 135, or perhaps even 130.

Making weight is NEVER easy, make no mistake about that. But to say Mosley was not a natural lightweight is contrary everything we know about fighters, and their build.

You will also never hear a fighter say... yeah... I realize I am a little small for this weight, but I moved up for the money. They ALL say.... "I feel stronger at this weights, and faster, and I hit harderd"... every single one of them... even Juan Manuel Marquez.

What really speaks is evidence in the form of video. We can see with our eyes that Shane was much quicker at 135, much stronger, and packed a bigger punch.

Mosley says he is better off at 147, who am I to doubt him? He had his greatest achievements and greatest performances as a welterweight.





I really doubt Mosley could have gone at this pace as a drained 135 pounder.

[!! Shawn]

Your SRR argument is ******. Period. Sorry. Look at who he beat in those five years, add Gavilan in defense of the title when fighters weighed in the day of the fight...GTFO.

What you're asking me to do for Shane I did. If anyone has noticed, by allowing for more subjectivity in the last couple of these original eight lists, I've used the 25 spot as a sort of wild card for quality, more modern fighters whose resumes were otherwise not meriting a spot on the list. That's how Mosley sneaks on. He's barely there as it is.

So go over JLC big accomplishments at 135 with me again? All 10 of his fights there...

A win over... Casamayor? The man who moved up from 130 just for the fight?

It seems to me his only legitimate wins at 135 are Juan Lascano and Stevie Johnston...

Or are you rating him on your perceived trouncing of Floyd Mayweather, whom I agree he beat the first time, but on your criteria of resume... that would be a skill assessment...

[!! Shawn]

Mosley says he is better off at 147, who am I to doubt him? He had his greatest achievements and greatest performances as a welterweight.





I really doubt Mosley could have gone at this pace as a drained 135 pounder.

Thank you for proving my point. Mosley didn't have to go at that pace at 135, because he was bigger stronger, faster, and could impose himself on people without having to fight them off.

Watch his fight with Holiday.

[TheGreatA]

Thank you for proving my point. Mosley didn't have to go at that pace at 135, because he was bigger stronger, faster, and could impose himself on people without having to fight them off.

Watch his fight with Holiday.

He looked very average against Holiday. He also wasn't fighting people like De La Hoya as a lightweight, it's much easier to look good against a Manuel Gomez or a Philip Holiday.