Mayweather: "Mosley, a Jealous Former Steroid User"

[edgarg]

I can't wait until boxing is like the old times again. The best fight the best. The winner gets more than the loser. It will be sad if Mosley vs Mayweather never happens. If Floyd would have fought Mosley and beat him after the Margo fight. That would be like Leonard beating Hagler. Leonard wanted to fight the best make money and be great.

The sad thing is that I favor Floyd over Mosley, Margo, and Cotto. But he acts like he is scared to fight anyone of them. Arum had a Aug 06 PPV date for Floyd vs Margo. He could have beat Margo then got out his contract to fight Baldo or Mosley in December or January. He still could've had the May date with Hoya. He could've fought Cotto after he beat Hatton in a big money fight. It was a perfect setup. Then he could've fought Mosley as a comeback fight. If he would've did that nobody could talk **** about Floyd.

You're not exactly right about Leonard. Briliant though he was, he still forced through a ton of "perks" and advantages for himself in that Hagler fight. He waited until Hagler had a couple of VERY TOUGH fights before he took a deep breathe and "jumped in". AND........he got a dubious decision win, and absolutely refused to give Hagler a return, causing Hagler to retire in disgust.

[Syf]

Mosley, at 38, and after many tough battles, is only about 50% of his best, if even that much, but it's still too much for Mayweather..

Pshaw.

Mayweather is in his prime right now. I've never seen him more fit and in form.

Mosley better be at least 80% for it to even be competitive.

You can tout all these theories about Floyd not being a draw, and nearly killing Corrales to make weight and ect ect, all you want, but the fact remains there is enough skill in his gloves to beat 4 amateurs at the same time. So, take that as you will, oh crusty veteran.

And there have been moments of his career where he wasn't assured of a win ahead of time. To assert that the man has always stacked the deck from day one is a bit much.

Go through his whole catalog and say that... On the contrary, I would contend that he was so miles ahead of some of his opposition, it just made it look unfair. A la Marquez. Face it, if that fight had been competitive, no one would have been crying about weight.

[edgarg]

Pshaw.

Mayweather is in his prime right now. I've never seen him more fit and in form.

Mosley better be at least 80% for it to even be competitive.

You can tout all these theories about Floyd not being a draw, and nearly killing Corrales to make weight and ect ect, all you want, but the fact remains there is enough skill in his gloves to beat 4 amateurs at the same time. So, take that as you will, oh crusty veteran.

And there have been moments of his career where he wasn't assured of a win ahead of time. To assert that the man has always stacked the deck from day one is a bit much.

Go through his whole catalog and say that... On the contrary, I would contend that he was so miles ahead of some of his opposition, it just made it look unfair. A la Marquez. Face it, if that fight had been competitive, no one would have been crying about weight.

All I can say is "you are entitled to your opinion".

I think the FACTS about the Corrales fight are deserving of much more than being described as "touted" which term is negative, and derogatory!

[versatech]

All the talk, all the excuses. just get it on and fight the guy!

[SkillspayBills]

All I can say is "you are entitled to your opinion".

I think the FACTS about the Corrales fight are deserving of much more than being described as "touted" which term is negative, and derogatory!

You like to capitalize the word "FACT" but all your arguments are based on OPINIONS. Go figure...

[edgarg]

Pshaw.

Mayweather is in his prime right now. I've never seen him more fit and in form.

Mosley better be at least 80% for it to even be competitive.

You can tout all these theories about Floyd not being a draw, and nearly killing Corrales to make weight and ect ect, all you want, but the fact remains there is enough skill in his gloves to beat 4 amateurs at the same time. So, take that as you will, oh crusty veteran.

And there have been moments of his career where he wasn't assured of a win ahead of time. To assert that the man has always stacked the deck from day one is a bit much.

Go through his whole catalog and say that... On the contrary, I would contend that he was so miles ahead of some of his opposition, it just made it look unfair. A la Marquez. Face it, if that fight had been competitive, no one would have been crying about weight.

I always thought that the adjective "crusty" referred to bad tempered when applied to a person. I am not really "crusty".

When applied to a bottle of wine.......it means old and of very good vintage. I may be this!

[MindBat]

Mayweather may be right....but he also may be wrong. It's an undeniable fact that for most of his career he couldn't even half fill a 4,000 seat arena. I'm not sure but I think only a fight or three before the Oscar fight, he was a zero draw.

His strong point was always his mouth, not his boxing expertise, no matter how skilled he is, and he very carefully picked as his opponents only those he felt certain he'd beat.

I recall very well his fight with Diego Corrales, which actually brought him to my attention, as well as to the attention of the boxing public. I saw immediately his reason for fighting Corrales, who, it should be known, was the favourite to beat him. The average fight fan is not aware, but Mayweather very carefully set the stage for this fight. He chose Corrales, nearly 6 ft.tall, who had already left the 130 lb. division, and was walking around at about 150 or more, was in desperate trouble with the Law, was penniless and thirsty for money to pay his legal expenses, had a very bad matrimonial situation, and actually was due to go to jail for 2 years immediately after the fight.

Corrales, being questioned about his weight problems, when asked why he'd take such an unsuitable fight, said that "he made me an offer I couldn't refuse". He spent his training time in just trying to shed the weight, was overweight on the first weigh in, and had spent most of the previous day in a sweat box. As T.K. Stewart wrote, "when I saw Corrales, his skin grey, every rib showing, and looking like death, could hardly stand, I knew right away he had no chance of winning" (paraphrasing).

Later, Larry Merchant was talking about having seen Corrales in his dressing room, just before the fight, stuffing down a huge hamburger.

The point I'm making is that Mayweather will NEVER make a fight with anyone he is not certain, for whatever reason (which of course is not known to the casual fan) of winning and he's pretty good at prognosticating.

Oscar used to do the same thing, but not as well, so he often lost fights he was sure he'd win. So....Mayweather should be a sure thing, if you want to win some betting money.

With all the talk about the $600,000 that he forfeited, it guaranteed him a certian win, even without all the other advantages, and he could have backed himself to win to make that money back. However, compared to his purse and PPV, it was only a "fleabite", in exchange for a 100% guaranteed win. Smart guy.

So it's Floyd's fault Corrales chose to drain himself? What about all the Dis-advantages Oscar made Floyd agree to in order to have a winning edge?

Yes.

In 2006, Floyd and Shane were both WW's. Shane only took the Feroz fights at 154 bc obviously, Fernando can't make 147, and those were the biggest paydays available for SM. But Shane had repeatedly said that he was a WW. SM's two fights before and two fights after Vargas were at WW, thus confirming his words.

The Floyd-Shane fight was on the table. Floyd wanted it. Shane wanted it. HBO was hyping it and had given it a date.

But Shane had a dental appointment.

It's also worth repeating that Floyd called him and others out on live TV when Larry Merchant inquired about it.

You mean face to face? as when Shane entered the ring to challenge Floyd? Floyd handled that **** the right way! Told shane to fall back, this is my moment, "i dont jump in the ring after your fights, when it's your time to shine you shine"..that aint backin down, this aint wwf smack down wrestlin..lol..what did you want Floyd to do? Plus ,Floyd has called out Shane on numerous occasions! Oh! And why y'all givin Shane a pass for usin steroids? If Mayweather was caught usin steroids..you Floyd haters would assasinate his characeter 10 FOLD!!!!! Would nt let him live it down in a million years! So on that note. **** Shane, beat Berto first(which he might lose) and getcha buzz up!!

Without a doubt. Floyd would've been crucified at the altar for committing such a disgrace in the sport he so loves.

[edgarg]

You like to capitalize the word "FACT" but all your arguments are based on OPINIONS. Go figure...

No it is more than opinion, I have the article written by T.K. Stewart, and have the video of Larry Merchant, as well as, of course, the fight. Not to mention the FACT that hypo-naetremia kills athletes who drastically de-hydrate and too suddenly re-hydrate. In that instance I was quoting 3 medical opinions.

And, after all, one just had to look at the fight itself. And I'm not ******. No one had EVER seen Corrales so slow and fumbling. I recall him starting several very slow punches and stopping them in mid air because they were out of place. He was very slow all round. And it wasn't because Mayweather, good as he is, was too fast. In those days Corrales himself was not slow, was unbeaten and was regarded as a killer. His problem was that he'd grown out of the weight and, if he was to be carrying the muscles he needed, he had to go up to the next weight class.

The way he went down from "love-taps" was a true "give-away' as to his conditionHe wasn't hurt at any time. He more or less "folded" in sections, sort of slow-motion. He was almost delirious.

[Syf]

I think the FACTS about the Corrales fight are deserving of much more than being described as "touted" which term is negative, and derogatory!

I always thought that the adjective "crusty" referred to bad tempered when applied to a person. I am not really "crusty".

When applied to a bottle of wine.......it means old and of very good vintage. I may be this!

You certainly do have a way of immediately recognizing my quasi subtle jibes, don't you..

Well, I do believe you have boxed. Your response style seems to be a testimonial.

Either that, or you were on the debate team in high school. lol

[edgarg]

So it's Floyd's fault Corrales chose to drain himself? What about all the Dis-advantages Oscar made Floyd agree to in order to have a winning edge?



It's also worth repeating that Floyd called him and others out on live TV when Larry Merchant inquired about it.



Without a doubt. Floyd would've been crucified at the altar for committing such a disgrace in the sport he so loves.

I admit I'm curious. What disadvantages did Oscar insist on?

My recollection is that Oscar, who hadn't fought as a welterweight for years, abd then only on Cinquo de Maya (sp?) actually was just before the fight, at 143.5 lbs, and when supposedly re-hydrated, was still well under the welterweight limit. That alone showed that he was in dire straits, and there were many "expert" comments about it. Oscar looked good, but was drained, as weak as a kitten.

And still a case could have been made for him that he should have got the decision, or at least a draw.

However, if you have conclusive evidence that I'm wrong, and you're right, that's O.K. with me. I have "no axe to grind" in this discussion merely enjoying the differing opinions and vehemently defended positions.