Comments Thread For: We All Want Canelo-Benavidez ... But Canelo Owes Us Nothing

[kiaba360]

Judging by the fact that this thread is 15 pages deep, there must be a ton of HATE for this article lol. I found myself agreeing with most of it, in addition to the overall premise. The fans would hate Canelo in the short-term for denying them a good match-up, but that doesn't change the fact he's already HOF bound. Benavidez has made the mistake of thinking that fighting guys like Andrade/Plant on PPV gets him any closer to facing Canelo. Just like Canelo needed to face Lara/Trout to gain credibility (a part of the article I disagree with), I think David needs to face Morrell/Mbilli. All people seem to talk about is what Canelo should do...and rightfully so, because he has all the titles. But, what happens if Benavidez doesn't get Canelo? I think Canelo is only holding on to the 168lb titles so that he can face the Beterbiev/Bivol winner in another Undisputed vs. Undisputed fight. If not, he should just drop the titles and see if that would force these contenders to face each other.

[garfios]

Ok, I've already acknowledged the standard Canelo criticisms. You seem genuinely oblivious to your own bias, as I suppose most people are. Yes, Canelo lost to a 36 year old Mayweather (when he was 23); the same guy who casually UD'd Manny Pacquiao two years later. Yes, he should have lost to GGG in those first two fights. The same GGG who had leveled every other opponent and carried a division recored 20 defenses up to that point. Yes he fought an old Shane Mosley (when he was 21). The same old Shane Mosley who Floyd finally got around to fighting at 37 years old. Yes, he lost wide to Dmitry Bivol, but was that because Bivol was an equally elite but much bigger natural LHW, or was it because Canelo is a fraud? If its the latter, then did Canelo wipe the floor with guys like Amir Khan and Jermell Charlo because he was simply better or because he was a cherry-picking weight bully? As far as Erislandy Lara goes, hell no did he win. Like Jamaine Ortiz, Lara tried to stink out the joint with Cuban keep away boxing and deservedly got sent home with a loss.

As I've noted multiple times now, if you're inclined to find asterisks in a fighter's career you will find them. With that in mind, let's just agree that Canelo is the greatest 'fabrication' since Floyd Mayweather.

Do you think I'm criticizing canelo because I'm biased? I don't like the boxer, but I have nothing but respect for the person, he seems to care about his people and has made a ton of money in a very hard sport, the boxer has cherry-picked his way into the upper echelon and was sold to us like the last bottle of water in the desert, and he ain't. You are pointing out his age when he fought the old men, but you're failing to mention that he was given a great opportunity to be known, he has not done that with the younger boxers like benavidez, Morell jr, etc. You're talking about his weight too, bivol wiped the floor with him because he is a better boxer, there's no equality in that aspect and let's not forget that he used to come in well over 170 pounds on fight night, and he was 21-23 yo back them, he grew into a full fledge 168/175 pounder, as soon as he noticed that the weight-in the night of the fight was in detriment of his projected public figure, he started hiding it, also, did he win against Kovalev because he was better or because the russian was too heavy? Furthermore, you can't have it both ways, either he's too small for a LHW like you suggested, or he was not good enough against bivol, or you forgot he has already beaten another old drunken champion. You can note multiple times that if you want to find asterisks in any fight you will find it, and I say you can't find it in every fight, only in the ones that have it, and canelo is the king, whether you like it or not. Why don't you answer your question? Do you think it was fair to bring khan and charlo up? I know they're happy with the money they made, but as a fan, did you have any doubt that the fight was going to end with a canelo loss? Do you think the weight has something to do with the result? And yes, he was young when he fought cotto, mosley and floyd, again all past their peak, young in age not in experience and that's what counts, a hungry healthy young man with over 40 fights in his ledger fighting for recognition, the classical pass of the baton, and finally, Lara didn't deserve to lose, canelo did because he was the one that couldn't touch the Cuban, you see he has always had problems with good boxers, Lara controlled the whole ring and make canelo look like a human fan, hitting nothing but air, then again that's your opinion and I respect that, and we have a civilized exchange, no insults or disrespectful comments. You said that I'm biased, I think you're the biased one here, because you're failing to recognize that in almost every fight canelos has fought, the least the high-profile ones, there's always a controversy, you can put an asterisk on those. I almost forgot, what does floyd vs mosley and the 20 defenses of ggg have to do with ginger fighting them? I don't see the correlation, he fought ggg almost two years too late, I remember canelo vacating the belt instead of unifying with ggg. Something that bug me is that canelo didn't fight for the IBF belt back at 160, do you know why? They have a rule that every fighter needs to weigh in the next day and can't be over 10 pounds. Be safe

[Oracle01]

. Similarly, most knowledgeable fans would regard guys like Erislandy Lara, Daniel Jacobs, Callum Smith, Sergiy Kovalev, BJ Saunders, Caleb Plant, Jermell Charlo, etc as elite champions. .

lmao thanks for the laugh.

Lara has never even been a legit WC ever.
Smith is a C level fighter who should have lost to Ryder, the guy Mungia destroyed.
Kovalev was shot.
Saunders was not even a legit SM, and beat nobody in the division
Charlo was an inactive 154 pounder.

There are your 'elite champions'.

[Oracle01]

Benavidez was getting outboxed and almost embarrassed by Plant for the first 5 rounds. Canelo had no such difficulty dealing with Plant.

Go and rewatch the fight gold fish. Canelo was chasing and hitting air for a large portion of that fight. I know Canela fans love to rewrite history but he struggled vs Plant and it was a close fight until the stoppage.

[TheOneAboveAll]

Go and rewatch the fight gold fish. Canelo was chasing and hitting air for a large portion of that fight. I know Canela fans love to rewrite history but he struggled vs Plant and it was a close fight until the stoppage.

It wasn’t close. Plant never threatened to beat Canelo. Let me guess, you thought Jamaine Ortiz destroyed Lopez too?

[Oracle01]

It wasn’t close. Plant never threatened to beat Canelo. Let me guess, you thought Jamaine Ortiz destroyed Lopez too?

Ortiz clearly won the fight. I think I see the problem. You don't know how to score fights. Learn what boxing is.

[TheOneAboveAll]

Lopez clearly won the fight. I think I see the problem. You don't know how to score fights. Learn what boxing is.

Lopez did clearly win the fight. Now I’m not following you at all.

[Oracle01]

That was a typo. Ortiz boxed Teo's ears off and clearly won the fight. You don't understand the art of boxing. If Ortiz was the A side, you would agree with me and he would have been given the decision.

[TheOneAboveAll]

That was a typo. Ortiz boxed Teo's ears off and clearly won the fight. You don't understand the art of boxing. If Ortiz was the A side, you would agree with me and he would have been given the decision.

You and I aren’t going to agree on much. You don’t like fighting. Much like Ortiz.

[PBR Streetgang]

Canelo doesn't owe us anything but neither do we owe him anything. He can fight Charlo or Munguia but I won't be paying for either of those fights.