Why do alot of people like to say all Black boxers like run too much ?

[IceTrayDaGang]

same reason why people will say mexican boxers are all "brawlers"..

[4truth]

same reason why people will say mexican boxers are all "brawlers"..

because some people are simple minded?

[IceTrayDaGang]

there are 2 types of defensive boxers... one with great defense but dont move around much and one who just likes to run. Everyone can appreciate the skills of a great defensive boxer. but the ones who likes to use their feet a lot, these are the ones that get looked down on.. you can still be a defensive fighter and get a lot of love from the fans.

canelo when he's on the defense, he will move his upper body, etc... he rarely backpedal .. compared to guys like rigo, etc.. who is very defensive but also likes to use his legs and move around the whole ring.

[K--]

Blacks and ***s invented hit and don't be hit back boxing and it's still reflected in their training lineages. Most black fighters have black trainers, most black trainers learned from black trainers.

Why fans don't appreciate it is beyond me. But why blacks are more defensive is because of the colorline and training lineages. Whites kept them out of their training along with ***s, blacks and ***s buddied and invented a new way of training to protect themselves better because they could not get big fights they made up the money loss with fighting a lot more often and to keep their body able they fought defense first. ***s left boxing, or rather, are not represented in larger numbers by the mid 1900s which left only black boxing to carry defense first fighting.

Obviously these days everyone's a lot more mixed but like a lot of things the differences go back to racism and racist divisions in society.

Can you recommend some reading on this subject? Not questioning your assertions, but would like to read about this history.

[dannnnn]

To be fair, black Americans used to be far more action-oriented fighters than they are today, generally speaking. It's only recently they've become known for having such a safety-first 'tag, you're it' style of fighting.

I'm not a Mayweather hater, he's been one of my favourite boxers to watch, but it has to be said that he left some terrible long-term impacts on the sport and this is one of them IMO. Young boxers today see the overwhelming success he had with this particular style and so that's what they copy, naturally. The problem is that along with this, there's been an overall shift in the scoring meta whereby defensive boxing is now given too much credit.

It used to be "make them miss and make them pay," now it's just "make them miss." It used to be the guy coming forward who was typically favoured by judges in close rounds, now it's the opposite. Add in the much increased leniency towards clinching (it's barely even enforced as a foul anymore) and you have the perfect recipe for this kind of uber defensive, negative, spoiling style which is quite prevalent today.

[Marchegiano]

Can you recommend some reading on this subject? Not questioning your assertions, but would like to read about this history.

I don't know of a single book that covers training through all of boxing history but most books that cover a period will at least touch on the training in that period.

How and when ***ish boxing diverged from Christian boxing in the late 1780s can be found in Bareknuckle 1722-1888 by Chris Shelton, likewise that book will reference the connection between black american and ***ish english boxers.

When and how training came to America and how white training differed from black training in America can be found in Kevin Smith's Black Genesis: The History of the Black Prizefighter 1760-1870

But to be clear if you're interested in learning the history of training that's going to require a bunch of different books that are really about different subjects. As you get more modern in time it's easy and you can get a single book for say the 70s-now, but for older generations it's really a challenge

I've books ranging from ancient sources originally written on papyrus and etched in stone to modern books from modern trainers and writers and I've written a few let me explain the full history of this or that threads but not yet done training because it's a seriously under focused subject in boxing history. I'm getting pretty close and can answer the origins for a few things we just take for granted, like when sparring came to be, but still can't do the full history of training any justice.

I can recommend Matt Dunnellon's Peter Maher The Irish Champion. Despite being a bio book it's also a very good era book.

Boxing in the time of Christ is a solid introduction to ancient boxing, it's a good overview book that's not too terribly weighty.

Colorline era ethics are probably best handled by Kevin's sequel to Genesis; Sundowners.

I'm sorry bud, off the cuff that's all I can remember having decent training sections. Those will cover bare knuckle for you pretty good and the very early days of Queensbury before the bodies.

Cheers, happy researching bud.

[GrandpaBernard]

Blacks and ***s invented hit and don't be hit back boxing and it's still reflected in their training lineages. Most black fighters have black trainers, most black trainers learned from black trainers.

Why fans don't appreciate it is beyond me. But why blacks are more defensive is because of the colorline and training lineages. Whites kept them out of their training along with ***s, blacks and ***s buddied and invented a new way of training to protect themselves better because they could not get big fights they made up the money loss with fighting a lot more often and to keep their body able they fought defense first. ***s left boxing, or rather, are not represented in larger numbers by the mid 1900s which left only black boxing to carry defense first fighting.

Obviously these days everyone's a lot more mixed but like a lot of things the differences go back to racism and racist divisions in society.

coincidentally the most savage brawl ever starred two black guys Tommy Hearns VS MMH

what about British boxing philosophy

Brits admired how clever Floyd was. American sentiment more face first dumbAZZes

there are 2 types of defensive boxers... one with great defense but dont move around much and one who just likes to run. Everyone can appreciate the skills of a great defensive boxer. but the ones who likes to use their feet a lot, these are the ones that get looked down on.. you can still be a defensive fighter and get a lot of love from the fans.

canelo when he's on the defense, he will move his upper body, etc... he rarely backpedal .. compared to guys like rigo, etc.. who is very defensive but also likes to use his legs and move around the whole ring.

Bivol is unique

he exciting style despite using his feet for defense and being feather fisted

his high volume provides all of the action!

[joseph5620]

boxing is entertainment.
people PAY for entertainment.
thats how boxers get paid.
it's the people's money.

only recently people realize they dont have to pay for sh.itty styles that dont bring entertainment.

sorry shakur.
you dont get the bag no more

Boxers fight to win. Not to please you.

Shakur will still get paid regardless of what you think.

[GrandpaBernard]

Boxers fight to win. Not to please you.

Shakur will still get paid regardless of what you think.

imo the next super great black fighter has yet to arrive!

a Mayweather level boxer comes along every quarter century

[ELPacman]

I think it's just a numbers game. Black fighters are still probably the majority of fighters in America and since we seen them more often, we see more styles than let's say a Mexican who wants to just get in there, put a lot of pressure and take your head off. That's not to say that they don't have their own aggressive fighters when I think of Crawford or Spence Jr. who come to mind. Though yes, a lot go the technical route and since there are a lot of black boxers in boxing, I think we just see it more often from them than when you think of another ethnicity.

Lately however, I'm seeing more technical Mexican boxers, so the styles are becoming more varied between the different cultures and although when you think of Mexican style, you think take 2 to land 3 with a lack of defense, there is more and more lately who are adding technical skills to their game. Heck, Canelo is probably the least Mexican style boxer these days and the most popular. I know he can **** when another fighter decides to engage him, but him just going through the motions of the fight, he's more on hit and showing off defense.