Comments Thread For: John Fury: Tyson's Performance With Ngannou Was Wake-Up Call, a 70% Tyson is Enough To Beat Usyk

[Oregonian]

To be fair, he opted out of the ordered rematch and fought Tom Schwarz.

And he refused to fight the trilogy fight until he was ordered to.

But this now looks like it's happening. What happens after that is anyone's guess. Typically what Fury should do, he doesn't do.

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There was no need for a third fight with Wilder. He beat him and was going to beat him again. This was pretty obvious. Wilder exercised a rematch clause and the fight happened. Unless you B want to tell us Fury was scared of a Wilder?

[MulaKO]

Sounds like John doing a little damage control

[MulaKO]

IMHO that’s the real fury, sans his performance enhancement routine. Man had no legs, no real speed, little to no stamina. If you go back and watch early Tyson fights he used to live against the ropes because he could lean back out of reach and rest, suddenly one day he’s hopping around the ring like he’s 115lbs. Expect Fury to be doped to the gills for the USyk fight. I’ll also wait for any fury fans to explain how he suddenly became this stamina machine out of the blue despite weighing more, getting older, and the reality that oversized men’s joints can’t take that long term.

That sir , is one hell of a transformation
I hate this led chit cause we’ll never know the truth or should I say the whole truth

[Toffee]

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There was no need for a third fight with Wilder. He beat him and was going to beat him again. This was pretty obvious. Wilder exercised a rematch clause and the fight happened. Unless you B want to tell us Fury was scared of a Wilder?

It was you who seemed adamant that Fury lived up to his obligations and provided those two as examples.

I pointed out that there but great examples as he actually swerved both of them. An ordered fight, and then a contracted fight.

I don't use words like 'scared'. I'm an adult male.

[TheOneAboveAll]

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And yet you are speculating and predicting his future by proclaiming he will never again.

TOAA is incapable of speculation.

[SN!PER]

It all comes down to what mental state Fury is in on the day of the fight.

If he's regained his hunger and truly wants a war, then he bullies and punishes Usyk badly, finishing him in the late rounds.

If his mind is not really in boxing anymore and he's going through mental health problems again, then Usyk becomes Undisputed.

[PRINCEKOOL]

This is possibly the biggest ever fight, any man from Tyson Fury's cultural background has ever been involved in within the modern boxing era 'For sure Tyson Fury, is going to be the best possibly condition he can be in'.

Since this fight was postponed? I have never been that concerned about Fury's condition 'Tyson Fury already 3 months out from this fight, was already in fight condition' Fury weighed in at 277 pounds, fully cloth almost. Fury was most likely closer to 275-274 pounds'.

When Tyson Fury does not train, he would blow up to close to 400 pounds 'This is well documented, Fury himself has even stated this himself'.

Tyson Fury was in fighting condition vs Francis Ngannou 'Was he is in his best possible condition? No. But for sure, Fury was in fight condition'.

That is why the performance, was very alarming and concerning for Tyson Fury and his whole team.

As a result of this? Fury has most likely potentially gone into overdrive. This will ether work for him, or back fire 'For me, I think Fury just needed to participate in another training camp and solidify his condition. Come into this fight vs Uysk, a more solid and refined 265 to 270 pounds'.

Two back to back training camps, are a positive for Tyson Fury.

Note: I have always believed that, this fight specifically for Tyson Fury 'Will be won or lost in training camp'. If Fury's reaction to his Ngannou performance, was to go into overdrive 'Then in my opinion, there is a high likely-hood that this will back fire on fight night'.

If Tyson Fury has just kept his pose, and taken the few positives from the Ngannou fight which were ? That Tyson Fury 3 months out from the Uysk fight, Fury was already in fight condition. And this is proven by him, getting whacked. To then get up off the deck, and fight his way back into the fight. Tyson Fury did not win the fight, but he did fight his way back into the fight after being decked. A fighter can only achieve this, if they are in fight condition.

Tyson Fury just needs to recognise those positives, and put himself through another training camp 'Nothing fancy or spectacular. Because two training camps back to back for Tyson Fury is a big benefit for Fury, and possibly unprecedented'.

But if Tyson Fury, and his entire team around him 'Have over reacted, to his Ngannou performance. And gone into complete overdrive, with this new training camp'. Tyson Fury will possibly turn up for this fight, over trained.

When Muhammad Ali fought Ken Norton in the second fight 'For me he was over trained, and he clearly went into overdrive. Muhammad Ali's brute strength, was not quite where it should of been in that fight. Muhammad Ali, still won. But you could see that Ali's conditioning, was not solid all around'.

Both Ken Norton and Muhammad Ali, in that fight 'Were supremely conditioned aerobically, endurance wise. But I believe both fighters were over trained, Muhammad Ali to the more extreme extent'.

When Rid**** Bowe fought Andrew Golota in the rematch 'Bowe went into overdrive, and over trained. Andrew Golota vs Rid**** Bowe II, is one of the most underrated Heavyweight fights of the 90's, it was a great fight. But Bowe's brute strength and durability in that fight, was decreased due to being over trained' George Foreman, as he was commentating on that fight even picked up on that observation.

So to conclude. Tyson Fury has to master two things for this fight, the correct gauge of his own condition 'And then the challenge of competing with Oleksandr Uysk's skill level'.

Nobody really knows for sure, how Tyson Fury's style skill for skill is going to match up vs Oleksandr Uysk 'Because Fury quite simply, is not a experienced fighter at fighting at World or Elite level skill for skill. Tyson Fury for 95% of his career, has been fighting at ether domestic or high end European level'.

Oleksandr Usyk has fought better fighters than Tyson Fury skill for skill, within the cruiserweight division 'Anthony Joshua is also a superior fighter to Fury, in certain aspects of his game'. Uysk is not going to be intimidated by the skill level of Tyson Fury, this fight is not a big jump up in skill level for Uysk 'But it is a giant leap for Tyson Fury in skill level'.

The last time Tyson Fury fought at elite level skill for skill, was vs Wladimir Kiltschko 'And that fight was almost 9 years ago'. Deontay Wilder was a elite level fight, but he was not a elite level challenge in term's of his boxing skill etc.

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The Body attack will be relentless. Usyk will attempt to fake a low blow at some point in the fight but the count will continue because the Saudis didn't pay for that BS. That will turn the tide of the fight. Fury SD. In Hill we trust.

[TheOneAboveAll]

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A lot of people said that prior to the rematch with Wilder. And then it happened. We then heard Fury willl never fight Wilder in a trilogy. And then it happened.

What will you say if Fury does show up? Before you respond, do understand we heard the same sentiments before the 2nd and 3rd Wilder fights.

There is no need to speculate about Fury's future. I have told you very plainly that this man will not fight again.

I do not understand why people doubt what they deep down know to be true.

[Oregonian]

It was you who seemed adamant that Fury lived up to his obligations and provided those two as examples.

I pointed out that there but great examples as he actually swerved both of them. An ordered fight, and then a contracted fight.

I don't use words like 'scared'. I'm an adult male.

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We are not arguing. I’m merely pointing out that Fury KO’d Wilder in the rematch so it’s hard to believe that he was avoiding/ducking/scared of a third fight. He then KO’d Wilder in the trilogy