Comments Thread For: Chris Algieri: "No One Beats A Prime Roy Jones Jr, Beterbiev Included"

[richardt]

How did he drop his muscle weight ? By not eating ?

Hard to say what combination of techniques he used but he would have been better off coming in at 185 so that he was still fast enough to avoid punches but not to too high in weight to where he had to lose more because even though he came in at 193, his ring weight was probably higher than that and days later having rested, even higher than that. He let his body down and his body in turn let him down.

Per weight loss, maybe I can get his friend and former Light Heavyweight contender Ice John Scully to speak more on that. John has desovered over time how extremely difficult it is to lost even extra fat, let alone muscle.

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I have to agree with Algieri , RJJ was incredible in his prime. No one has ever had that blend of athleticism, reflex, power, and blinding speed. Every fight was like watching a man against a boy , and then one night , it was over. Just like that.

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No one would get the chance to beat Roy as he ducked all the threats. Roy believing he wasn't good enough to win those fights is enough for me. I'll take Roy's words and lack of action over anyone else with an opinion that has zero value when looking at the facts of the matter.

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Literally that was his downfall

Yep. In another timeline he reitred after Ruiz

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Hahaha hahaha
nigel Benn wouldn't have laid a glove on roy. How many fights have you seen benn almost knocked out in first 1-3 rounds. Roy was the best of the best he was avoided like the plague and this 'glass chin' you talk about was good enough to go all the way up to heavyweight and win a title. He was streets ahead of the rest in his day

You clearly didn't see the interview Roy gave for HBO when he said he wouldn't fight Benn as he didn't want what happened to McClellan against Benn to happen to him.

I thought of Roy as a big time coward before this. Even worse after watching it. He was happy to cherry pick low level opponents and endanger their health by them being overmatched. Just as long as Roy wasn't put in danger or fight those he should have, it's supposedly OK? Nah, my opinion for him hit rock bottom after watching that. It was the words of a spoiled and selfish brat.

Roy did nothing but duck the top fighters. But this has been done to death so many times. If people still to this day go with the bullshlt in how Roy didn't duck all these fighters, then nothing is going to change their mind. Problem is, it's nothing but fantasy.

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Yea that's the problem though, UK had "good talented fighters", no great ones.

The UK isn't in Eastern Europe. What are you talking about.

Not only that, but the likes of Benn, Eubank etc, are in fact, ATG's.

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Uh oh….this comment by Algieri isn’t going to go down well with the Calzaghe fans

Do you do anything but obsess over us?

I'd love to know at which point the penny dropped when you knew British fighters won the vast majority of the time they fought Americans. So, are you going to name the fight that first comes to mind when you first started to fizz? We both know you remember it. Everyone remembers their first time when the penny drops.

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Subject A) Roy's chin. No one ever dropped him or stopped him in his prime. Only when he sped up his biological clock by dropping muscle weight fast did that take a toll and his punch resistance went down. Think about how many fighters took bigger punchers and bigger fighters shots and barely blinked but when they dropped weight, they were stopped. To name just one, Chris Byrd held up to some heavyweight punches and you would think that when he went down to 175 or so to fight Shaun George, George would not be able to dent him. You would almost bet your house that a fighter with a 50% KO record at 175 could not possibly stop Byrd. He did. So many examples of dropping weight going wrong and being susceptible to punches more than ever.

How many good clean shots did Roy take though in his career? He rode most of them. But when he got nailed with just a good shot from Del Valle, he did the Bambi legs before going down. He was really hurt. It wasn't even a big shot.

I see his chin as always being the same at any point in his career.

[Oregonian]

I saw Roy in his prime when he fought Bryant Brannon. I was damned near ringside. On the undercard was Ike Quartey vs Oba Carr. I sat right near Quartey's drummers and Bryant Brannon's ppl from Newark NJ. They were talking about how Brannon did time, and how he had been shot and how he's so tough, like that was going to get him the victory. I asked if anyone wanted to make a friendly wager b4 the fight. When the fight started, I was standing up in my seat screaming at Brannon's ppl, "what u saying now?" Over and over. The usher had to come ask me to sit down. I lost my voice the next day. Roy had the fastest hands of anyone I ever saw, of any weight. I mean, I saw Pernell whitaker. I couldn't measure his speed because it ended in one round and i didnt have the greatest seats for that one. I saw Sugar Shane vs Antonio Diaz. Shane was dumb sharp and quick. But as far as putting multiple punches together with precision and accuracy, and creativity, I never seen nothing like Roy b4 or since. I mean, keep in mind he was at light heavy! For at least a solid 10 years straight, it was well established fact that no one was fu..king with Roy in any shape form or fashion.

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Roy Jones was ONE fight away from making a case for the top three greatest boxers of all time.
Only casual and haters would bring up his losses so much later in his career.

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Roy Jones was ONE fight away from making a case for the top three greatest boxers of all time.
Only casual and haters would bring up his losses so much later in his career.

Fastest hands is relative to the speed of the opponent, I think there have been a lot of lower weight guys with faster hands thats just physics. The only real difference between Roy and other greats like Floyd and Pernel is power, I think both Floyd and Sweetpea were faster with better defense they just didn't have the power Roy had.

I don't know if I agree with Algeri here but I wouldn't argue the point Roy was special.

Sorry Oregonian I was meant to answer Archie, just a senior moment lol.