Comments Thread For: Arum: Usyk is Very Smart, He's Fearless - A Very Big Test For Tyson Fury

[Whats My Name]

Fury is Fury. There is no heavyweight like him. Ever. I just cannot count this guy out in virtually any contest. A difficult boxer to try and get your head around. Yet he keeps winning. Keeps getting knocked down. Keeps getting up. Has sublime boxing skills and yet looks ungainly and compared to great Heavyweight champions of the past and simply looks fat. Ernie Terrell was the same height as Tyson and yet only weighed in at 218lbs. Terrell won a nonsense title in the 1960s and badly beaten by Ali but fought virtually all the top contenders and won most in his era. Usyk might possibly be the more skilled boxer but will he know how to counter the unpredictable Fury? Joshua about the same size as Tyson fought Usyk like a wooden cut-out. I see Fury, if he is 'on', being too big and savvy for Usyk and winning by TKO. Joshua did have Usyk in trouble in their 2nd fight but couldnt or wouldnt press forward. Fury will look to bully the much smaller man and be far less respectful.

[Monty Fisto]

The big question mark with Fury is his mental state. Look what happened after he fought Wlad...he won then just completely lost it and would not meet him in the rematch. And it wasn't that Fury was good against Wlad, both looked pretty bad...Wlad just did not let his hands go, which is more about Wlad really fading once Banks took over.

If Wilder is Fury's best win, that does not say much. I do not think Fury is as good as people think and that he got by Ngannou because Ngannou literally fought his FIRST boxing match ever.

I have Usyk winning this. And I thought it would be close but I have a feeling it will be something like 117-111 or 116-112 UD. Fury is not winning this fight.

The big question mark with Fury is: how good has he truly been since his comeback, lo these last five Ior six years?

Beating the likes of Seferi, Pianeta and Schwartz are literally meaningless results. Nearly losing to Wallin is a bad look. Beating Whyte and Chisora are OK, but not enough to suggest elite.

In other words, the legions of people these last few years claiming Fury is some kind of great has been predicated on his Wilder trilogy...

...And Wilder has just been owned by Joseph Parker, seriously calling into question how good/dangerous Wilder ever really was.

Fury did look good in the first fight against WIlder; very good in the second; but then flawed in the third. Arum asks if Fury got old in the last fight against Ngannou, or if he just didn't train. Those things are not mutually exclusive, of course, and you could say they often go hand in hand. I would also contend that Fury looked like both those things had already got to him in that third fight against Wilder. He looked a bit old, a bit heavy treading, and he didn't look like he had trained himself into his best shape.

I think Usyk trains just as hard as ever and suspect Fury just doesn't care quite enough any more to train 100%. To paraphrase Marvellous Marvin, it's difficult to get up and do roadwork at five in the morning when you're sleeping in silk sheets and you are a massive unit who no longer gives a shlt.

[pollywog]

The big question mark with Fury is: how good has he truly been since his comeback, lo these last five Ior six years?

Beating the likes of Seferi, Pianeta and Schwartz are literally meaningless results. Nearly losing to Wallin is a bad look. Beating Whyte and Chisora are OK, but not enough to suggest elite.

In other words, the legions of people these last few years claiming Fury is some kind of great has been predicated on his Wilder trilogy...

...And Wilder has just been owned by Joseph Parker, seriously calling into question how good/dangerous Wilder ever really was.

Fury did look good in the first fight against WIlder; very good in the second; but then flawed in the third. Arum asks if Fury got old in the last fight against Ngannou, or if he just didn't train. Those things are not mutually exclusive, of course, and you could say they often go hand in hand. I would also contend that Fury looked like both those things had already got to him in that third fight against Wilder. He looked a bit old, a bit heavy treading, and he didn't look like he had trained himself into his best shape.

I think Usyk trains just as hard as ever and suspect Fury just doesn't care quite enough any more to train 100%. To paraphrase Marvellous Marvin, it's difficult to get up and do roadwork at five in the morning when you're sleeping in silk sheets and you are a massive unit who no longer gives a shlt.

Prime Windmill was a legit badman. Its just a shame he came up against Prime Oilskin rather than the pampered A-Side diva.

I'd still make the case Fury befriended Parker so he'd never have to face him cos he knew Parker wasn't Prime when he lost to Prime AJ, but he is now!

And i really don't get how in any other sport its ****** in the extreme to think a team or player you beat 6 years ago guarantees you'd still beat them now. Yet in boxing it's practically gospel.

Parker would sit AJ on his well toned backside, send Whyte to the dementia ward and scare the bejezus out of Joyce now. He learnt way more about himself and the business by losing to them than he ever could have by winning.

As for Fury v Usyk. I think Fury is scared of losing and what it does to his legacy. Usyk has his legacy secured from amateurs to cruiser to heavies and sees the bigger picture with what's happening in Ukraine.

He's got way more to fight and win for than Tyson's silly fanboy bragging rights.

SLAVA UKRAINI...Usyk FTW !!!

[MulaKO]

When he loses , Fury that is , are we gonna have to hear all the excuses or are we just gonna admit the man was never that good and never will be ?

[Atypicalbrit]

The big question mark with Fury is his mental state. Look what happened after he fought Wlad...he won then just completely lost it and would not meet him in the rematch. And it wasn't that Fury was good against Wlad, both looked pretty bad...Wlad just did not let his hands go, which is more about Wlad really fading once Banks took over.

If Wilder is Fury's best win, that does not say much. I do not think Fury is as good as people think and that he got by Ngannou because Ngannou literally fought his FIRST boxing match ever.

I have Usyk winning this. And I thought it would be close but I have a feeling it will be something like 117-111 or 116-112 UD. Fury is not winning this fight.

First of all Wlad tried to cheat against Fury by filling the ring canvas with 4 inches of foam which only he trained for because he wanted to tire Fury's legs, let's not forget about that blatant attempt at cheating.

Secondly, Fury knew that Klitschko isn't able to "let his hands go" if he can't establish the jab, so Fury took that away from him and was left with a very easy fight.

Klitschko only had success vs AJ because AJ GASSED. And even then he couldn't finish an AJ in a WORSE state than he was in the Ruiz fight because klitschko is scared of getting hit on the chin.

Klitschko was humiliated by Fury in the press conference, before the fight when fury exposed his attempt at cheating, and then in the ring, and also after it when he had to listen to fury sing.

Fury humiliated klitschko 4x

Why was that? Aww was it cos klitschko was sad? Aww poor baby.

No it's because Fury isn't Alex Leapai, Francisco Pianeta or Eddie Chambers type fighter who make up 95% of klitschkos resume. IE: BUMS

The good fighters on his resume like Povetkin and Haye he clinched so much he should be disqualified.

[pollywog]

When he loses , Fury that is , are we gonna have to hear all the excuses or are we just gonna admit the man was never that good and never will be ?

Fury will always have Prime Dr's Steelhammer and Sleep to claim he was all that, and he was.

The big question is, is he still ?

[MulaKO]

Fury will always have Prime Dr's Steelhammer and Sleep to claim he was all that, and he was.

The big question is, is he still ?

Klit was done by the time he had fought him
So done he wouldn’t let his hands go in case something was coming at his chinaware
Wilder , well , anyone can see what the real deal was with Wilder
Not very good to begin with but leaned on his power to chug ahead

[Monty Fisto]

First of all Wlad tried to cheat against Fury by filling the ring canvas with 4 inches of foam which only he trained for because he wanted to tire Fury's legs, let's not forget about that blatant attempt at cheating.

Secondly, Fury knew that Klitschko isn't able to "let his hands go" if he can't establish the jab, so Fury took that away from him and was left with a very easy fight.

Klitschko only had success vs AJ because AJ GASSED. And even then he couldn't finish an AJ in a WORSE state than he was in the Ruiz fight because klitschko is scared of getting hit on the chin.

Klitschko was humiliated by Fury in the press conference, before the fight when fury exposed his attempt at cheating, and then in the ring, and also after it when he had to listen to fury sing.

Fury humiliated klitschko 4x

Why was that? Aww was it cos klitschko was sad? Aww poor baby.

No it's because Fury isn't Alex Leapai, Francisco Pianeta or Eddie Chambers type fighter who make up 95% of klitschkos resume. IE: BUMS

The good fighters on his resume like Povetkin and Haye he clinched so much he should be disqualified.

OK, but who was talking about Wlad?

[Atypicalbrit]

Klit was done by the time he had fought him
So done he wouldn’t let his hands go in case something was coming at his chinaware

So klitschko was always done then, because that was his entire career after getting with steward and before that he got Ko'd every other fight.

[MulaKO]

So klitschko was always done then, because that was his entire career after getting with steward and before that he got Ko'd every other fight.

Why was he fresh when he fought Fury ?
Say you like Fury without laying it thick , it’s simpler than trying so hard