Comments Thread For: Junior Dos Santos: Ngannou Showed That MMA Fighters Can Hang With Boxers

[crimsonfalcon07]

MMA fighters couldn't even hang with Youtuber Jake Paul....

Seriously though McGregor actually did well + landed a lot of punches on Mayweather but had no power with the big gloves on...

As for Fury - he gets a lot of his advantages usually from being huge guy. Not everyone needs to lean on their opponents to win... Also he has only beaten two top-10 opponents in 8 years. Boxing is a bit of a scam in that way. It's all about marketing

One of those MMA fighters that Paul dragged up to beat actually did beat a former world champ, although Chavez Jr is a disgrace just in general.

But yeah, just because one guy did well in one fight doesn't mean all MMA fighters have the skills to hang. Especially UFC guys. There's only a few in the UFC that I think would be able to do ok in a pure striking sport.

[Zaroku]

You're all over the place. It's like you can't make up your mind to either be impartial or to pick one side of the coin.

I actually speak Japanese. Spanish Hebrew and my wife yells at me in korean

im just willing to pretend to Kome it all clowns that I don’t give a puck

[Roberto Vasquez]

You're all over the place. It's like you can't make up your mind to either be impartial or to pick one side of the coin.

Not at all. Jake Paul is a scammer. He picked MMA fighters who were from the weight division below him. Fury is a bit of a scammer so no surprise Ngannou did well against him. But in a rematch Fury would just stay away from him and win on points easy.

Anyone who doesn't pick boxing is a moron.

Even if Ngannou does by some miracle win against AJ that is just one guy. All the others have lost. That one boxer won in MMA too. Was it Ray Mercer? I forget

[BKM-]

Those machines are all about learning a specific technique. Ngannou actualy just lost his record by a huge amount. Joe Pyfer beat him. I said this before but pretty much any HW can land a huge punch on a stationary target with nothing coming back - but to do that during a fight takes IQ, speed, accuracy and positioning. Punches landed in an actual fight will be weaker and probably won't land flush. Power will vary depending on the fighter's combined abilities
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MMA fighters couldn't even hang with Youtuber Jake Paul....

Seriously though McGregor actually did well + landed a lot of punches on Mayweather but had no power with the big gloves on...

As for Fury - he gets a lot of his advantages usually from being huge guy. Not everyone needs to lean on their opponents to win... Also he has only beaten two top-10 opponents in 8 years. Boxing is a bit of a scam in that way. It's all about marketing

You're all over the place. It's like you can't make up your mind to either be impartial or to pick one side of the coin.

[Roberto Vasquez]

George is 6'4 lol same height as Francis

And as for the "hardest recorded punch", Francis has the "record", yeah, but a VERY large percentage of heavyweight fighters have yet to punch that specific machine to measure their power. You know who had the previous "record" on that specific machine? Tyrone Spong lol

Once you start to unravel everything, the "record" becomes more of a marketing ploy. Not saying Francis doesn't hit hard or anything, but we can't pretend like he went up against a Deontay Wilder or any top 5 heavyweight puncher to get the record lol he beat out Tyrone Spong bro, c'mon

Those machines are all about learning a specific technique. Ngannou actualy just lost his record by a huge amount. Joe Pyfer beat him. I said this before but pretty much any HW can land a huge punch on a stationary target with nothing coming back - but to do that during a fight takes IQ, speed, accuracy and positioning. Punches landed in an actual fight will be weaker and probably won't land flush. Power will vary depending on the fighter's combined abilities
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He's correct. That was such a huge gut to the punch to the narcsissistic boxing elitists who always claimed otherwise.

MMA fighters couldn't even hang with Youtuber Jake Paul....

Seriously though McGregor actually did well + landed a lot of punches on Mayweather but had no power with the big gloves on...

As for Fury - he gets a lot of his advantages usually from being huge guy. Not everyone needs to lean on their opponents to win... Also he has only beaten two top-10 opponents in 8 years. Boxing is a bit of a scam in that way. It's all about marketing

[Oldskoolg]

I have zero idea why you are bringing up fighters from the past to contrast with today's athlete. The conversation is about TODAYS boxers against TODAYS MMA fighters. What people are saying is that as TODAYS era of HW fighters are not a deep talent pool that helps MMA fighters to cross over to compete better. It matters not a little bit what size the 80's and 70's era of HW were for if UFC was a thing back then, they would have been the same basic size as the same era of boxers. Pick a sport, today's athletes in Football, basketball, hockey, track and field, water polo and freaking bull riding are all bigger than even 20 years ago, much less 30-40 years ago.

As about every other poster has stated, all we know is an out of shape Tyson Fury who only gave a 60% effort did not look great against Ngannou. Period. No other UFC fighter gets to claim anything over any other boxer. As I do not think any boxer can step in the cageand beat any top 10 rated UFC fighter, I hold no UFC fighter walking into the squared circle has a prayer against any the top 10 reeated boxers. It is a silly concept. Different disciplines.

Well stated mate

[BKM-]

He's correct. That was such a huge gut to the punch to the narcsissistic boxing elitists who always claimed otherwise.

[HENNY]

People who say this heavyweight era is weak will tell you that a 6'2" 212lbs "big" George foreman would have walked down, traded with a man 60lbs heavier who has the hardest recorded punch in history and Ko'd the 6'4" 271lbs Ngannou

I'm telling you he wouldn't lol.

George is 6'4 lol same height as Francis

And as for the "hardest recorded punch", Francis has the "record", yeah, but a VERY large percentage of heavyweight fighters have yet to punch that specific machine to measure their power. You know who had the previous "record" on that specific machine? Tyrone Spong lol

Once you start to unravel everything, the "record" becomes more of a marketing ploy. Not saying Francis doesn't hit hard or anything, but we can't pretend like he went up against a Deontay Wilder or any top 5 heavyweight puncher to get the record lol he beat out Tyrone Spong bro, c'mon

[eco1]

Ngannou is going to get popped by Joshua.

[landotter]

People have been complaining about how "bad" the heavyweight division is for the entire time I've been alive, it's been relentless and all the heavyweight champions during my lifetime with the sole exception of Mike Tyson have only ever been respected after they retired.

The skill level at heavyweight is of course lower because most of these guys are over 240lbs and can't athletically do the things smaller fighters can do. It doesn't mean the smaller guys (outside of rare exceptions like Usyk) can beat them. Just look at Gassiev vs Wallin for what happens 99% of the time you put a good cruiser vs a good heavy.

Usyk is 6'3" 222lbs, that is BIGGER than prime George Foreman let alone Joe Frazier and Ali, it's also bigger than Tyson and Holyfield, he's an exception with his skill level but we will find out in a few weeks if even with his skill level he can over come a truly big man who uses his size like a big man should (because AJ doesn't he boxes like a smaller man) .

Heavyweight is a LOT more about physicality than the other divisions are, and that's the reason that Ngannou had success.

Ngannou is very likely the strongest boxer EVER. And I mean that.

I suppose maybe Valuev might be stronger, I don't know.

When you are that freakishly strong, have the hardest recorded punch on history, an iron chin, half decent stamina, AND you are up against a guy who is NOTORIOUS for underestimating opponents and turning in dreadful performances in fights he expects to be easy, and yes you are going to do well.

Add in the fact Ngannou is a pure striker who's UFC game was 95% punches, and yeah, he transitioned to boxing very well.

The smaller UFC guys that Jake Paul ko'd were like the equivilent of if Fury fought Brock Lesnar, a retired 40+ year old ufc guy who wasn't good with his hands even in the UFC.

I have zero idea why you are bringing up fighters from the past to contrast with today's athlete. The conversation is about TODAYS boxers against TODAYS MMA fighters. What people are saying is that as TODAYS era of HW fighters are not a deep talent pool that helps MMA fighters to cross over to compete better. It matters not a little bit what size the 80's and 70's era of HW were for if UFC was a thing back then, they would have been the same basic size as the same era of boxers. Pick a sport, today's athletes in Football, basketball, hockey, track and field, water polo and freaking bull riding are all bigger than even 20 years ago, much less 30-40 years ago.

As about every other poster has stated, all we know is an out of shape Tyson Fury who only gave a 60% effort did not look great against Ngannou. Period. No other UFC fighter gets to claim anything over any other boxer. As I do not think any boxer can step in the cageand beat any top 10 rated UFC fighter, I hold no UFC fighter walking into the squared circle has a prayer against any the top 10 reeated boxers. It is a silly concept. Different disciplines.